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Old 06-25-2009, 01:03 PM   #11
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I have never seen liquid nutes that included enough mg.

I have always had to add extra mg and that is part of my routine. I would still add the mg. You can see from some fan leaves there is a deficiency of some kind occurring


The hydrozyme?
Apart from what Luke said, i use it every reservoir change. He is right about the gunk but if you change your reservoir out once a week it won't be a problem.

It will also take care of yo%ur root problems too. Trust me on this one

Regarding your humidity? Check for excessive moisture in the room. I have an ac unit blowing on mine but for whatever reason, it did not do a good job removing it. My humidty was way too high and I developed a mold problem.

Only way around that was a dehumidifier. But, even without a mold problem, too much humidity is never good. I think 70-75% in veg is good
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Old 06-25-2009, 01:26 PM   #12
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That's why I'm here! Because I don't know what the problem is... my PPM is pretty high because I thought they looked like they weren't getting enough. I think it has something to do with the roots being infected or something. There is browning going on.
only a 30 gallon res supplying 8 buckets? that could be a lot of the problem right there. can you sister another res up to the 30 gallon tank or upgrade to a 50 gallon res? Increasing the res size will help stabilize the temperature.
Aeroponics and root rot just dont go together, like military and intelligence.. For root rot to have a chance in a highly oxygenated solution, the temperature of the solution has to make it so the water is not retaining much O2.
Now Im curious as to how you are measuring your Res temperature?
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only a 30 gallon res supplying 8 buckets? that could be a lot of the problem right there. can you sister another res up to the 30 gallon tank or upgrade to a 50 gallon res? Increasing the res size will help stabilize the temperature.
Aeroponics and root rot just dont go together, like military and intelligence.. For root rot to have a chance in a highly oxygenated solution, the temperature of the solution has to make it so the water is not retaining much O2.
Now Im curious as to how you are measuring your Res temperature?
There is about 5 gallons total in the bottom of 10 buckets. So 25 gallons in the res... that's plenty and a lot more than something like an Aeroflow. *shrugs*
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I have never seen liquid nutes that included enough mg.

I have always had to add extra mg and that is part of my routine. I would still add the mg. You can see from some fan leaves there is a deficiency of some kind occurring


The hydrozyme?
Apart from what Luke said, i use it every reservoir change. He is right about the gunk but if you change your reservoir out once a week it won't be a problem.

It will also take care of yo%ur root problems too. Trust me on this one

Regarding your humidity? Check for excessive moisture in the room. I have an ac unit blowing on mine but for whatever reason, it did not do a good job removing it. My humidty was way too high and I developed a mold problem.

Only way around that was a dehumidifier. But, even without a mold problem, too much humidity is never good. I think 70-75% in veg is good
Well I may add some Cal-mag, since I have it. What ratio do you suggest?
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Your getting some great advise from some people who know what they are talking about. This is a good opp. for you and the rest of us to learn a great deal.

I noticed you have had PPMs up to 1900. That seems a little high to me, but at the same time the plants are showing some signs of nute def...

Have you had success with this exact same system in the past?
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It's running full bore right now so the temps aren't going to get any lower
is it a real chiller or something you rigged? can you make your aero pump inline instead of submerged in the nutrients?


If only it were that easy. My system takes about 30 gal of water and since I use R/O water it takes a long time to get 30 gal out and then getting 30 gal out of the system... once a week puts my back out for 2 days. *sigh*
[I]get a pond pump from harbor freight, and 25ft of poly line from lowes. all said under 30 bucks. then you can pump in and out of the res instead of hauling buckets. if youre roots arent real bad there might not be too much slime. just change the water when it gets the slime on top. besides while you are fixing the plants with hz, why not just run tap water?[/i]


At 40 bucks a bottle that's VERY expensive.
at 400 an ounce so is weed. better a successful grow than no smoke. i would either invest in a better chiller, or a bigger bottle of hz. i believe its prevention dose is much smaller than its unfuckshitup dose




I used cheap irrigation fixtures from lowes. It's the blue/gray fittings for 1/2inch irrigation tubing. One end is male or female (both needed, one inside and one outside the bucket) The other end is barbed for connecting the black irrigation tubing. I just regular rubber garden hose washers on the outside to seal the hole and prevent leaks. Since the water doesn't get above the fitting and there is no pressure there is no leaking with this setup.
bitchin, i will go look. you gotta part number?
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is it a real chiller or something you rigged? can you make your aero pump inline instead of submerged in the nutrients?
It is a "real" chiller, it's a Current Prime and it cost about $350

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get a pond pump from harbor freight, and 25ft of poly line from lowes. all said under 30 bucks. then you can pump in and out of the res instead of hauling buckets. if youre roots arent real bad there might not be too much slime. just change the water when it gets the slime on top. besides while you are fixing the plants with hz, why not just run tap water?
It's mostly the carrying of 5gal buckets (6 of them) out to the grow shed. My well water PH is about 7.5, I don't think the plants would like it much.

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at 400 an ounce so is weed. better a successful grow than no smoke. i would either invest in a better chiller, or a bigger bottle of hz. i believe its prevention dose is much smaller than its unfuckshitup dose
I don't see anything that says "maintanence dose" or "unfuckshitup dose" so I can't say how much it would take for maintenance. Right now the recommended dose will get me 4 weeks per bottle. So $80 per grow plus nutes which are about $80 per grow, so $160... I guess that's not too bad...

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I tried looking it up but Lowes search function sucks. Just look for the irrigation plumbing and you find the 1/2 inch inserts, male and female.
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It is a "real" chiller, it's a Current Prime and it cost about $350
i run the same chiller, 1/10th hp mini chiller. i find it hard to believe thats as cold as it will get 25g of water. you ever clean the condensor coils and make sure the fan is not on its way out? also you got plenty of airflow around that thing right? if its circulating hot air it cant cool the water. if you know an a/c guy, or if you dont just got to an appliance repair shop. they can recharge the chiller for you if need be...real simple to do. i just recharged my window a/c. little saddle taps make life a breeze


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It's mostly the carrying of 5gal buckets (6 of them) out to the grow shed. My well water PH is about 7.5, I don't think the plants would like it much.
yeah i hear that, ph 7.5 can be dealt with..its the hardness that would worry me. im not saying change your water daily all the time, but you should definately change it as the coating on top builds up. that layer of funk is all the crap you are trying to get rid of. honestly you could probably skim that crap off, or just top the res off real high {overflow} and let the scum layer float right on by.

crap traps are also not hard to build. take a bottle or pitcher, cup whatever. cut the bottom off. stick it in the res so its about halfway submerged, let the return line from your chiller pump into the middle of the cup. the slime floats, there for it will mostly stay in the cup instead of floating around and reattaching itself to your roots. we had something like this called a scum skimmer.

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I don't see anything that says "maintanence dose" or "unfuckshitup dose" so I can't say how much it would take for maintenance. Right now the recommended dose will get me 4 weeks per bottle. So $80 per grow plus nutes which are about $80 per grow, so $160... I guess that's not too bad...
dont quote me on this one, i think people are running 8ml/gal as a treatment dose and 2ml/gal as a prevention dose. you could always try GH flora shield instead of hygrozyme for preventive maintenance. as its about half the cost of hz.


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I tried looking it up but Lowes search function sucks. Just look for the irrigation plumbing and you find the 1/2 inch inserts, male and female.
thanks, lowes is right across the street but ive never seen waht ur talking about. they are in the underground sprinkler section right?
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I just purchased a product called AquaShield for root maintenance. It cost $12.00 for one quart. I can not yet testify as to it's ability to do what it says, but if you want to see how well it works just pull up a chair in my grow room and we will see what we will see.
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