Tombo

I just ordered 10 blueberry seeds about a week ago. I think my goal right now is to get stocked up on seeds first? However, i'm thinking now, that i really should have picked up some more seeds from another strain? Is it okay to inbreed my seeds? I'm assuming the 10 seeds i'm getting are from the same mother. So is inbreeding bad? Anyone?

Smoker4life420

no. shouldnt be a problem


Smoker

TheGreenMan

Kind of depends what you mean by inbreeding really.
I came to this thread because I thought you were talking about the inbreeding people mean when talking about a female dominant hermaphrodite* pollenating herself and making seed that way.
If you're talking about growing your BBs and letting a male pollenate the females to produce your own seedbank, then
A, Smoker is, as usual, right No there should be no problem there.
B, Technically it is not really inbreeding, I THINK even if the seeds are from the same plant (Not 100% sure about that tho)
C, IMHO it's a really good idea. Some may tell you to kill the males to get Sinsemilla, that's a very short term view. Think about how much just 10 seeds cost, compared to how many you can get from just one grow - and if you're carefull and use the paper bag method you can even pollenate selected branches and leave the rest of the plant to grow unseeded.

Now, I have read that an FDH* inbreeding (pollenating 'her'self)can lead to problems, genetic deficiency etc. My last harvest was grown largely from FDH seed stock and apart from some repeat herming and a handfull of seed there were no problems at all and the smoke is mighty fine.
When I can start again, which sadly I can't at the moment, I shall try and find out if the seed from the last grow has suffered from inbreeding, having been self seeded from plants which grew from seed from self seeded plants - if u c what I mean.
Anyway, bla bla bla I guess your point was more, do you need to worry about a BB pollenating another BB. Smoker says not which should be good enough for any of us really, besides think about it, in nature the mother plant would drop her own seed all around herself on the ground and the following year males and females would come up and pollenate each other so....
I don't know of, nor can I think of, any reason why it should cause problems, You should just end up with loads of top class seed. Good luck.

Green Man

PS If you don't know and want to know about the paper bag selective pollenating method and can't find out from the grow guide or other threads, don't hesitate to ask and if someone else doesn't want to explain it before I do, then I will.

1flanagan

I read Ed Rosenthal's grow guide and it said that you can induce male flowers on a female by taking two aspirin per gallon of water and spray a few female flowers with it. The therory is that since the plant you spray is female, and YOU are MAKING the male flowers from the female plant, all seeds from the plant will be female also. However, this will not result in a hermie. It is hard to explain but I am going to try it with my female white widow and experiment myself. But in my opinion there should be no reason for inbreeding as a problem.

Green Man: good point about outside plants inbreeding

TheGreenMan

Personally I always think that If in doubt the first Question we all should be asking ourselves should (nearly) always be either 'What would happen........' or 'How would a plant/plants deal with this..............................' ---In Nature . I think it's important and helpful to remember that however artificially we grow under lights in doors or whatever, this is a plant which is even now growing wild out there like a weed. Doesn't really need any help from any of us........

Green Man

DryTimes

I've been searching for info on imbreeding and this is all I found but didn't want to start a thread about it.

But just out of curiosity, if anyone knows, what would it be like? Let's say I have a male and female that breed and make seeds. Then I use those seeds to grow another male and female that make more seeds. Kind of like the beginning of time. Well kinda not.

This is just a thought I've had. But wouldn't it be like "purifying" a strain. Or back to the example of the beginning of time, Adam and Eve reproduce then their children reproduce, et cetera. Do they become more diverse or more pure.

Other than that last question/scenario. Would using the seeds of a mother generation after generation be any different. LIke quality wise or be more pure somehow.

And I'm on my way to researching the famous G-13 strain because I thought I read it was made this way-by imbreeding until they found an ever so pure strain that it was ultra-potent.

Get what I'm saying??

Criard

inbreeding causes genetically recessive traits to occurr more often. recessive traits are coding in the genome that was used at one point in the plant's 'bloodline' but over time the plants have adapted to changing environment and have phased out these traits.

say during an ice age the plants began to adapt to the cold by producing mass amounts of trichomes to protect itself. eventually the ice age ends and the planet warms up. the plants over time will adapt to the warmer temps by producing lesser amounts of trichomes.

inbreeding activates random genes that have been 'shut off' over time. if you're lucky you could possibly activate one of these 'ideal' (for our purposes) genes. however, genes are shut off over time because they are unfavorable to the individual's survival. so you could also activate extremely unideal genes and end up with mutant freaks that grow to 2 feet tall and make hardly any buds.

such is the fun of breeding! cull the unfavorable weaklings! let only the cream of the crop grow, and breed them. put evolution in hyperdrive, find that perfect strain.

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20ftplants

this is exactly what i want to do.
i want to self pollinate two seperate lines. i will grow from femininized seeds and will take two clones. i will grow both and on one reverse the sex of the flower to male and use the pollen to pollinate the female. i will then test for potency and select the most potent plant. i want to do both lines this way for 10 generations so the plants will be completely homozygous. then i will cross the two lines and hope i get some good hybrid vigor.

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