Spirit of Bear

Day 7 (Bubble Cloning)

The only change is the Ph rising to 6.2……

Tomorrow night I’ll probably add some Ph down,,, and try to bring it to within 5.9 – 6.0 for the next few days……..

In a way I feel that I’m just burning board space with these nightly reports,,, but also think that I need to report what is happening in as much detail as possible, so if others duplicate my efforts,,, they will have something to refer too…..

Bear

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DarkFox

You keep going Bear, let's do as good a job as we can.

I can't f'in stand this when people do this in journals, so I'm really sorry to do it myself but I'm gonna have to post the pics and run (I realise this isn't a journal but you folks know what I mean.. ) . To bed that is, I've got to be up in 3 hours and this took me longer than I thought 'cause I made some mods... anyway.. details tomorrow.

All the cuts went in just before and after midnight so today, the 18th is the start of day 1.

THEY'RE GO!!!!

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Spirit of Bear

Starting Day 8 (Bubble Cloning);

No nubs just yet,,, but they still retain tugor, and don’t need any special attention….



The cubs started the evening off at 6.3 Ph hitting the high end of my acceptable level…

I added 1ml Ph down to the water,,, and ended up just a bit lower than I wanted @ 5.8 Ph…

Nubs will soon follow……..

Mom is recovering nicely after taking the 6 cuttings, and a whole bunch more to round her into shape……..



Bear

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DF;

Nice looking work,,,, but,,,, I think you would have been better served to have cut the lower growth from your cuttings (referring to the second pic)……

The reason I say this is that you will want to bury the clones (when they become clones) as deep as possible into whatever (I think you use rock wool) you will be transferring them too,,, and the lower growth will make them taller than you want at this early stage…

I like my roots as deep as possible,,,, in order to allow them to hit the water as quickly as possible……..

Perhaps someone with more experience in your growing situation might correct me?

Bear

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milagro

Surely there is no need to apologise.

The time and effort taken to put this thread together is apparent and is a boon to the entire community.

I have already rated it FIVE STARS and hopefully others will do the same. A thread as helpful as this should stand out and be readily found.

Keep up the good work.



milagro

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tobi

Nice and a 5 star rating from me

My money's on the EZ with the Starlite but it's good to see the other methods here for those that don't want to shell out on that kind of equipment. I suspect the price difference in each method won't reflect the difference in results i.e. the EZ won't be 50 times as effective as perlite etc. maybe it will!
It will also be interesting to see if some of the stranger theories presented work: Drowning cuttings for example doesn't seem likely to work efficiently but this thread may prove a few of our preconceived ideas wrong.

I doubt it

Good work all of you...for attempting to nail down a much debated process.

DarkFox

I'm glad to know you think it's useful milagro... I'm actually hoping it will show that all these methods work well, it's just up to the individual grower to chose which suits them best.

There was a forced delay to me getting these in from visiting family, but also something Dev mentioned kept nagging at me...
I know Dev was mentioning this just for completeness but I've found that this thread has been quite an emotive issue for several people, not just the people who relayed their methods, so I really wanted to give each a fair start. So... I moved round some stuff and they are now all in the same environment, with as even light as I could manage. The Rockwool cubes, Vermiculite cones and Gel2root are all under a 200w Envirolite. The Perlite is under 110w of flouros and the EZ cloner's under 220w of flouro. That's about as even as I can get them...

The cab is set to range only between 21-24 degrees and 60-80% RH. There's also a Ruck fan gently pulling air through it, from bottom to top.

I didn't have a chance to look them this morning, I left at 7 to go to work... but here's my observations so far from last night:

ALL clones without a dome, ("Ice Cream Clones", "Chicken in a Bucket" and "Supposedly EZ") all wilted and were looking very sorry for themselves after just 20 minutes being uder their lights. I turned the lights off as soon as I saw how they were looking and raised them all. The lights were sitting at 8 inches above their heads and I moved them up to 12" and turned them back on half an hour later. I don't know if they'll be ok, or maybe even they're meant to wilt and then perk up??

1. NDS's "Ice Cream Clones"
Easy to set up system and planting was just as easy. I did one per popsicle cone although NDS does several. All were wilting within 20 mins, but the stems were still up straight. Because there's no clear way to check for roots, it's going to have to be a gentle tug in 7 or so days... All I'm going to do is water them if and when the Vermiculite gets dry.

2. Gel2root "Cold 6-pack"
The easiest of all as they don't need rooting hormone, just punch a small hole in the top foil and whack the cutting in. Because they have a humidity dome they kept turgor and are looking well. Rooting progress will be clearly visible. No maintenance at all... Nice...

3. Daltron's "Chicken (clones) in a Bucket"
Perlite is a BITCH Do not underestimate this innocent looking stuff, wear a mask.. Seriously, this stuff gave me the first sleepness night I've had in about 6 years.. Wicking system makes this pretty chore free though, except in-between sessions there'd be some work because the Perlite was already starting to green with algae after 2 days dry run. Same as the Vermiculite, no way to visibly check if they're rooted or not. I imgaine I could just dig the waste Perlite into my garden though, rather than the wasteful disposal of Rockwool I guess.. 6 out of the 10 were wilted. The other weren't looking happy

4. Dev's "Ol' Classic"
Apart from soaking the Rockwool overnight this is obviously quick and easy to set up. With my new "care" schedule, I don't need to do anything with them for a while. They're also looking nice n' healthy under their dome.

5. "Supposedly EZ" clone 60 site
Once in place and running the water and air pumps were noisier than I ever remembered them in previous systems and I was half contemplating turning it off until I could get a quieter pair. But by then I'd already cut the 60 clones and they were sitting in the lid. The pic above of the stems was as they went in, looking all dandy.
You could well be right Bear.. Bear (ha-ha! See what I did there! ) in mind though that the cutting actually goes down for another 2 inches below the top of the neoprene disc.

As mentioned above though, the biggest worry was within 20 minutes all of them had wilted and some had that full on dried worm look. Perhaps I should slowly introduce the light? or stop the air movement so it only comes on once an hour or something? Or is this how they're meant to be?! If I've got to start again I'd rather know now as I reckon I could get another 60 off my Mother tonight if I have to...

Pics when I get home from work.

JWCyborg

Darkfox, what a nice thread you make!

I started my current crop 'o clones a week or 10 days before you started this project. It seems my black thumb has turned green again...10 for 10. I clone into RW cubes...but my method turned lethal there, for a patch.

They had a rough go of it for a while...but in all fairness, I had to take this batch of clones WELL into flowering...

Anyway, not trying to hijack your thread. I'll start one and post the pics.

Continued luck, bro.


JW

n_d_shadows

Wilting is not something I was used to seeing in my vermiculite trials. From the pictures of yours, Id say what you have is much coarser/larger then the fine mixture I get. It could play a role in how it works for you but who knows?

Instead of just pulling the clone out, pour water in as you pull it out. It will loosen the hold of the V on the stem and decreases the chances of damaging the roots. Another option could also be to give them a turn. If you can spin the cutting 45 degrees or more, its not rooted, but always keep a keen ear to hear the faint 'snap' a root makes when it breaks. If you dont hear it, you should feel it through the stem.

oh, 5 stars all the way Dark Fox, Mr Burns and Spirit of Bear. In fact, when this thread is completed I'd like to nominate it as a STICKY. The ultimate guide to cloning!

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deviant

Just a few things:

When I bought my Ez cloner,I couldn't believe there was no lid and found it even harder to believe that they could survive without one.So I used something called cloning wax...it's a spray that forms a coating on the leaves to stop transpiration and therefore turgor loss in your cuttings.It worked better than using nothing;i.e they lasted about 3 days longer than I thought, but still all died.
If you want my opinion get some lids and re-do them,it sounds like the ones you did yesterday are either history or are going to be in such shit shape they aren't worth using.


As for"my"method...don't forget to dry the top daily.

All the best,
dev

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