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Old 04-03-2009, 11:18 PM   #31
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ya - i read the post and was also missing something to--

my best guess is maybe he is using smaller medium for first part of veg - maybe a 3x3 or 6x6 RW cube - then he stacks that cube on top another larger RW slab

this would force him to top feed since water level in ebb n flow wouldnt reach high enough during flood - stacking them allows growing large plants that needs large medium area for roots -
So if I plan to harvest larger plants, I should plan for this elevation issue and go with the dual drip feed stakes? Or would it be a good idea to get a deeper tray, so I can still aim for larger plants, while keeping the pots or RW slabs submerged in the flood?

the other benefit i can see is he can fit more plants in a smaller area during a short veg to save space since RW mwdium is smaller in veg than in flower - you simply veg until roots out grow medium then stack on another RW
Yes, ok. This is what I was thinking.

RW does not require a pot unless your using floc - although many stll use pot to keep roots from getting taggled amongst other plants so you can move the containers around - in or out or what ever
What is FLOC?

top feeding also has an advantage because it will wash excess salt build ups from medium better than flooding
Hmm

disandvatage is the tubes and cleaning - he covered his but by adding 2 tubes in case one gets clogged - but what sticks in my mind is just the word CLOGGED
I would be worried about corroding hose juice being fed to my babies, but I'm sure he has something in place to combat this. He says he replaces them every so often, I'm guessing right before he knows they will go to shit. Also, I've read that roots dont always get fed well with drip feed systems as they might with flood and drain system. Which makes sense, "DRIP" -VS- "FLOOD" But if you make a mistake with your nutes in a FLOOD & DRAIN then chances are more likely you could murder your crop, as opposed to a drip feed which is only getting a drip. Correct me if I'm wrong.

dont have this problem with just flooding and you can always rinse your medium with a hose from above draining down periodicly to rinse salts and top res at the same time
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Old 04-03-2009, 11:39 PM   #32
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floc is granulated RW - cubes are like 1/2" and you pack it in pot

if your going w/ larger plants - just get an ebb n grow system

people love them and the work great

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plus you can expand to a huge opperation with very little additional cost
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floc is granulated RW - cubes are like 1/2" and you pack it in pot

if your going w/ larger plants - just get an ebb n grow system

people love them and the work great

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plus you can expand to a huge opperation with very little additional cost
These look cool and all, but what happens if I plan to grow varying strains at the same time? Which may require varying nutrients and feeding schedules? I would need different reservoirs right? I don't think I could fit more than one of those large reservoirs in my grow space. Plus, what about cleaning? It would seem to me that it would be a lot of work to clean this system. If I was planning on maintaining a perpetual garden, wouldn't it be a good idea to have an extra flood tray, pots, etc.. so that I can remove the dirty equipment for cleaning at harvest and immedietly replace it with an already cleansed and sterilized set of tray, pots, etc, in order to stay on schedule?
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These look cool and all, but what happens if I plan to grow varying strains at the same time? Which may require varying nutrients and feeding schedules? I would need different reservoirs right? I don't think I could fit more than one of those large reservoirs in my grow space. Plus, what about cleaning? It would seem to me that it would be a lot of work to clean this system. If I was planning on maintaining a perpetual garden, wouldn't it be a good idea to have an extra flood tray, pots, etc.. so that I can remove the dirty equipment for cleaning at harvest and immedietly replace it with an already cleansed and sterilized set of tray, pots, etc, in order to stay on schedule?
i dont know enough about your space to say - but if your growing large plants - this is the way to go

i would go w/ ebb n flow with smaller plants, a large number of small plants

you can grow more than 1 breed as long as they are similar in height and nute needs

people who use this system for large plants rave about it

if you want ebb n flow - check out scrog or sog methods
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i dont know enough about your space to say - but if your growing large plants - this is the way to go

i would go w/ ebb n flow with smaller plants, a large number of small plants

you can grow more than 1 breed as long as they are similar in height and nute needs

people who use this system for large plants rave about it

if you want ebb n flow - check out scrog or sog methods
See, that's the thing. I may want to alternate back and forth. I may wish to grow fewer, larger plants, but then again-- I wouldn't mind filling up a 3x3 tray with many small plants, either. This project isn't just for my medical needs. You're talking to some dude who chose to call himself Dr. Funkenstein, haha. I would like to learn and experiment with different methods, in time. Like a mad scientist, of sorts. My Flowering Room space is 3Lx4Wx8H rectangular space.

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See, that's the thing. I may want to alternate back and forth. I may wish to grow fewer, larger plants, but then again-- I wouldn't mind filling up a 3x3 tray with many small plants, either. This project isn't just for my medical needs. You're talking to some dude who chose to call himself Dr. Funkenstein, haha. I would like to learn and experiment with different methods, in time. Like a mad scientist, of sorts. My Flowering Room space is 3Lx4Wx8H rectangular space.

3x4 space - the ebb n grow is to big to fit res. - your right

you could grow ebb n flow scrog w/ 2.5 weeks veg time and use 8" pots and get 4 medium+ size plants

or you could grow ebb n flow sog use 6" pots and fill them in tight about 25 plants - with no veg time at all and grow them with no topping to a max height of 24" (18" ideal) for a single cola plants

then you have it both ways depending on your mood

get a 3x3 tray and a 35+ gallon res with a 600 watt hps light - 8" vented hood or cool tube , 8" fan and a can 66

a smal 2ft cfl for seedlings & clones
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choose your medium, RW or pellets

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It seems you guys have dissected my posts well. Sry for any confusion. I will try to answer ur questions.

I use the ebb and flow for only veg. Drip system for the week before flowering and ALL thru the cycle. And yes..it is becuase i have a 4 in cube stacked on a slab and now the rw is higher than the tray. But all that jazz about washing salts is a valid point too.

As for clogged,(hehe), After a couple of harvests, even if you soak the feeder lines in hyox or something, they STILL grow slime on the insides. I change them out to eliminate this. Im kinda anal about cleanliness.

The 100 gal tank yes is for storage. It is grow space dependent. I need 100 because in my flower room there are 2- 40 gal panda res. On Sat., (my water change day) I need at least 80 gal to swap the res and another few gal to water moms or make sprays or whatever. Then the tank refils by the next day (i have a float valve to shut it off), and I then change the veg res on a tuesday or so as not to mess with my water requirements on SAT. Some days i wish i had 150 gal tank.

The Reverse Osmosis system comes in a 100 or 200 gal/day models. Doesnt sound like you'll need much mor than the 100. I never really did or do. And again..I get most shit from the grow shop even though its expensive.

30 Amp Timer Box for a timer box for the lights. If the link stuff works. This runs the lights and a fan when the lights come on.
It is wired using a standard dryer plug. It also has a 110v cord that is a "trip" wire to turn on and off the unit.

GardenMax Home and Garden - Eco Plus 24 Hour Programmable Plug In Timer 15 Amp for the individual timers.. Although i do use the digital ones. These are for my water pumps, the timer box, my hotbox (3 hr burns) and any other stuff that only gets used in intervals.

The sulfur burner is about 120 bucks. IT IS a LAST resort. They have srpays that do just fine too that i would use before i turned on the hotbox.

Moms stay under MH because the internode distance is just a bit longer with the MH.. I have found that it is Perfect for clones (cutting below a node, and still having a 4 in clone or so.) The t-5 internode distance is super short and great for veg but i just prefer the longer distance on my clones.

The nutrients is all a matter of preference. A N get super expensive so I use those listed because most of the other chems are for flavor and odor etc. The only thing I would STILL add, is maybe a medium cleanser like sensyzime, and a root stimulant like voodoo juice.
STILL, a matter of preference. Im happy with my yeilds and cant justify all the other $ and chems when the bud just goes right out the door to others in need of medication.

The water chiller, i use a little differently than most (being so anal) Most ppl would hook it up to their reservoir and cycle the water thru it to cool it. But the res water is dirty, and the chiller is $500! So what i do is use the chiller to cycle the R/O water in my 100gal holding tank. That way, when i top a res, or flat out change the water, i am using fresh, chilled, r/o water to do it.. ANd my chiller stays nice and clean cuz it only runs fresh water thru it. The burner really heats the room so this thing is necessary in the summer to keep then res temps below 70 or so. When i top off a res, it also helps to bring down the temps of the water. When the plants are big, I top the res off every other day.

Tucking. yes it is to expose light to under portions of the plant. and after the lolipop, i tuck probably every week.

Lolipopping. It will get some mixed reviews on this site but my plants are super strong, backcrossed, and monsters, so say what u will. Imagine a tootsie-pop. At the end of week2, i remove EVERYTHING from the bottom up to the start of my canopy. I mean the branches are CLEAN! Only about 6-10 inches remain at the top of the plant(lolipop). The light wont penetrate much further than 18 in anyway. Also helps with air circulation undrneath the canopy when its clean.

And I have never seen a deeper tray than the ones in the grow shop unless you use a rubbermaid something or other which goes against my grow religion!

Dont know if I mentioned or not but my plant is 'Cough'. IT is skunk #1, g-13, and hashplant. Tall, Robust, Big Yielder and a 22%THC!!!!!!!! People have asked me to try out their genetics in MY setup, (cuz i do it well), and i refused.. I cant see giving up the real estate for an inferior plant. I smoke alot and need some strong shit.

Glad to help.. Hope this answered some of ur questions. I will eventually take pics and post but im not even sure the links worked.

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