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<![CDATA[The Garden's Cure - Security]]> http://www.gardenscure.com/420 (Discussions on the security issues involved with cultivation including stealth growing techniques and eliminating odor) en Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:28:23 GMT vBulletin 60 https://www.gardenscure.com/420/images/blue-green/misc/rss.jpg <![CDATA[The Garden's Cure - Security]]> http://www.gardenscure.com/420 Treatment of suspicious packages http://www.gardenscure.com/420/security/132763-treatment-suspicious-packages.html Thu, 19 Nov 2009 04:42:02 GMT For what it's worth:

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Police Dog Training - Texas PSP International

PARCEL AND MAIL SNIFFS:

Summary:

The multitude of today’s delivery services such as UPS, Fed-Ex, U.S. Postal Service, Greyhound, airlines, and countless others, all afford the opportunity for a canine sniff.

Random sniffing of parcel and mail, without detaining the item, is not a search.
However, if an officer removes a package from the mail / parcel stream or conveyor belt, and takes it to another part of a processing facility for a canine sniff, then such a stop must be supported by reasonable suspicion.
Authorities may seize and detain parcel and mail for a canine sniff, only if reasonable suspicion exists.

Upon a positive canine alert, you may seize the package based upon probable cause (the alert) and exigent circumstances (loss of evidence).

Obtain a search warrant based upon the probable cause of the positive canine alert.

Minimize the time the parcel and mail are delayed.

The courts are divided on the issue of pushing on sides of an object to expel air from inside in an effort to smell contents. The latest ruling states that this action is a search.

cont.

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Treatment of suspicious package appropriate
St. Louis Daily Record & St. Louis Countian, Apr 6, 2004 by Donna Walter

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A divided 8th Circuit panel upheld a narcotics detective's decision to bring in a drug-sniffing dog for further investigation of a package that was being sent from Los Angeles to St. Louis.

A clerk at Mail Box Services Plus, a commercial mail receiving agency, in Sherman Oaks, Calif., alerted the Los Angeles Police Department of a suspicious package. Detective James Flynn was sent to investigate. The drug-sniffing dog, sent upon Flynn's request, alerted on the package, which contained a stereo speaker with roughly one kilogram of cocaine inside. The investigation of this package alerted authorities of another package being sent to the same address; it also contained a kilogram of cocaine inside a stereo speaker.

In St. Louis, Wendy Hull picked up both packages at a Mail Boxes Etc. store on Clayton Road in St. Louis. When the authorities searched her, they found a mailing receipt for a package sent from St. Louis to a commercial mail receiving agency, or CMRA, in Los Angeles; that package contained $19,050. Hull cooperated with police and led them to Robert T. Logan Jr., the defendant in this case.

At trial, Logan filed a motion to suppress the evidence obtained from the packages based upon the argument that the police lacked reasonable suspicion based on articulable facts to detain the first package. Magistrate Judge David Noce of the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Missouri denied Logan's motion, but District Judge Charles Shaw overruled Noce's decision and granted the motion to suppress.

Last week, in a 2-1 decision, the 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said that was the wrong decision. The disagreement between the majority and the dissent concerned whether Flynn sufficiently articulated the reasons he considered the package suspicious.

The package, according to Flynn, had six characteristics consistent with the profile used by law enforcement to interdict packages containing drugs. Those characteristics, as listed by the majority, are: 1) the package was shipped from Los Angeles, a drug source city; 2) the package was shipped to St. Louis, a drug target city; 3) the package was shipped from a CMRA; 4) the package was shipped second-day air delivery; 5) the package was shipped to a CMRA; and 6) the name and address of the recipient were handwritten.

Each of these factors, when considered alone, is consistent with innocent mail use. Our inquiry, however, does not require us to `rule out the possibility of innocent conduct,' wrote Judge Kermit E. Bye for the majority, citing U.S. vs. Walker, a 2003 8th Circuit decision, which quoted U.S. vs. Arvizu, a 2002 U.S. Supreme Court decision.

In support of the search and seizure, the majority noted that U.S. vs. Johnson, a 1999 8th Circuit decision, and the case it relied on - U.S. vs. Cortez, a 1981 U.S. Supreme Court decision - held that law enforcement officers are permitted to draw `inferences and deductions that might well elude an untrained person.'

The majority gave little note to what the dissent described as an error in Flynn's explanation of one of the six characteristics. Flynn testified that drug traffickers commonly use second-day air delivery for fast delivery and a shorter period of scrutiny. But on cross- examination he testified that second-day air delivery is one shipping method offered by FedEx and said it would expose packages to a longer period of scrutiny than would priority next-day and standard next- day delivery. In addition, he said in an affidavit that next-day air is the delivery method normally used by drug traffickers.

The majority did acknowledge this discrepancy but held that the totality of the circumstances still upheld the conclusion that Flynn had a reasonable suspicion to search the packages.

Be careful out there. ]]> Security LJB http://www.gardenscure.com/420/security/132763-treatment-suspicious-packages.html Police Surveillance legal guidelines http://www.gardenscure.com/420/security/132761-police-surveillance-legal-guidelines.html Thu, 19 Nov 2009 04:33:19 GMT This document is too wide ranging for me to sum it very well. I think it describes the legal guidelines that police are supposed to follow, that is, if they want to stick with the letter of the law. I think it's extremely informative.

Below you'll find an excerpt. The pdf file is attached to this post.

download link - (pdf): http://le.alcoda.org/publications/fi...RVEILLANCE.pdf

source: Point of View ~ a publication of the Alameda County District Attorney's Office

also from the source link:

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TOPICAL INDEX: The following articles may be downloaded in pdf format:

Detentions & Contacts
Investigative Detentions
Special Needs Detentions
Traffic Stops
Investigative ContactsMost Current Article
2003 Investigative Detentions
2003 Detaining Witnesses
2003 Traffic Stops
2006 Investigative "Contacts" Arrests
Arrests
Out-of-County Arrests
Citizens' Arrests
Post-Arrest Time LimitsMost Current Article
2009 Arrests
2004 Out-of-County Felony Arrests
2007 Citizens' Arrests
2009 Arrests Searches: Basic
Consent Searches
Consent Searches
Pat Searches
Searches Incident to Arrest
Entry and Search for Arrestee (Ramey)
Vehicle Searches
Probation and Parole Searches
Exigent Circumstance Searches
Exigent Circumstance Searches
Exigent Circumstance SearchesMost Current Article
2007 Consent Searches
2007 Third-Party Consent
2008 Pat Searches
2005 Searches Incident to Arrest
2005 Entry to Arrest (Ramey)
2009 Vehicle Searches
2009 Probation and Parole Searches
2004 Community Caretaking Searches
2002 Exigent Circumstances
2002 Exigent Responses Searches: Special
Voice mail, Email, and Text Msg Searches
Phone Internet, and Email Records
Financial Records
Workplace Searches
Searches on School Grounds
Booking Searches
Police TrespassingMost Current Article
2003 Voicemail
2004 Phone, Email, and Internet Records
2006 Obtaining Financial Records
2000 Workplace Searches
2007 Searches and Detentions ...
2005 "Second Look" .. Prisoners' Prop.
2003 Police TrespassingSearch Warrants
Search Warrants
Special Procedures
Executing WarrantsMost Current Article
2002 Search Warrants
2002 Search Warrant Special Procedures
2004 Executing Search Warrants Probable Cause
Principles of Probable Cause
Reliability of Information and Sources
Reliability of Information and Sources
Reliability of Information and Sources
Probable Cause to Arrest
Probable Cause to SearchMost Current Article
2008 The Principles of Probable Cause
2008 Probable Cause Information . . .
2005 The "Official Channels" Rule
2005 Detentions Based on 911 Calls
2008 Probable Cause to Arrest
2008 Probable Cause to Search Search-Related Procedures
Forcible Entry
Protective Sweeps
Knock and Talks
Plain View
Searches by Civilians and Police AgentsMost Current Article
2004 Knock-Notice
2004 Protective Sweeps
2006 Knock and Talks
2008 Plain View
2007 Searches by Civilians & Police... Surveillance
Surveillance
Intercepting Prisoner CommunicationsMost Current Article
2007 Police Surveillance
2005 Intercepting Prisoner Comm... Miranda
When Waivers are Required
When Waivers are Required
Waivers
Invocations
Invocations
Rules of SuppressionMost Current Article
2005 Miranda: When Warnings are Req....
2005 Miranda Exceptions
2006 Miranda Waivers and Invocations
2006 Post-Invocation Questioning
2006 Miranda Waivers and Invocations
2006 "Technical" Miranda Violations Questioning Suspects: Other Issues
Questioning Charged Suspects
Questioning By Police Agents (Massiah)
InterrogationMost Current Article
2007 The Right to Counsel in Criminal ...
2007 The Right to Counsel in Criminal ...
2009 Interrogation
Miscellaneous Subjects
Lineups and Showups
Digital Photos and Confessions
Testifying in CourtMost Current Article
2004 Lineups and Showups
2004 Digital Photos and Confessions
2009 Testifying in Court Motions
Motions to Suppress Evidence
Motions to Disclose Informants
Motions to Disclose Surveillance Sites
Harvey-Madden MotionsMost Current Article
2003 Averting Evidence Suppression
2006 Informants: Protecting Their Id...
2001 Protecting Surveillance Sites
2005 Harvey-Madden

Here is the excerpt:

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Trespassing on the suspect’s property

At first glance, it might seem that surveillance conducted from any location on the suspect’s land would be unlawful. Not so. In fact, trespassing violates the suspect’s Fourth Amendment rights only if it enabled officers to see or hear something that he reasonably believed would be private. Usually, however, mere encroachment onto private property seldom reveals such things. Thus, the United States Supreme Court explained, “[The] capacity to claim the protection of the Fourth Amendment depends not upon a property right in the invaded place but upon whether the person who claims the protection of the Amendment has a legitimate expectation of privacy in the invaded place.”19 Or, to put it more succinctly, “The Fourth Amendment prohibits unreasonable searches and seizures, not trespasses.”20

Accordingly, officers do not violate a suspect’s Fourth Amendment rights by walking onto his private property if they confine their excursion to places in which the public had been expressly or impliedly invited.21 This type of trespassing, commonly known as “technical” or “common law” trespassing, does not offend the Fourth Amendment because it is reasonably foreseeable. After all, people know that others will regularly walk onto their property to, for example, visit, deliver the mail or a package, inquire about a lost dog, sell Girl Scout cookies or maybe even a ticket to the local Police Officer’s Ball.

Accordingly, a trespass by officers will not constitute a Fourth Amendment violation if both of the following circumstances existed:

(1) Normal access routes: They stayed on or near normal access routes, driveways, common areas, or open fields.

(2) Access not barred: The suspect did not take reasonably effective measures to prevent entry into the location.

NORMAL ACCESS ROUTES: Officers who walk onto a suspect’s property will seldom violate his Fourth Amendment rights if they stayed on normal access routes. “A sidewalk, pathway, common entrance or similar passageway,” said the California Supreme Court, “offers an implied permission to the public to enter which necessarily negates any reasonable expectation of privacy in regard to observations made there.”22

Furthermore, officers may ordinarily stray somewhat from these areas if their departure was not too unusual.23 An example of an impermissible departure is found in People v. Camacho24 where officers walked along the side of the defendant’s home for a distance of about 40 feet from the sidewalk. In ruling that this constituted a Fourth Amendment trespass, the California Supreme Court noted, “[T]here was neither a path nor a walkway, nor was there an entrance to the home accessible from the side yard.”

Similarly, entering a suspect’s backyard is likely to constitute a Fourth Amendment trespass because backyards are relatively private places, plus they are usually surrounded by fences. For that reason, the court in Vidaurri v. Superior Court ruled that “a person who surrounds his backyard with a fence, and limits entry with a gate, locked or unlocked, has shown a reasonable expectation of privacy for that area.”25

DRIVEWAYS: Because driveways are almost always accessible to the public, officers may ordinarily walk on them, even if they do not serve as normal access routes.26 Thus, the Tenth Circuit said matter-of-factly, “[P]olice observations made from the driveway do not constitute a search.”27

COMMON AREAS: Officers do not violate a suspect’s Fourth Amendment rights by conducting surveillance from hallways, staircases, lobbies, garages, and other common areas of multiple-occupant buildings, such as apartments, condominiums, motels, and office buildings.28 As the court observed in People v. Seals, “[P]olice officers in performance of their duty may, without doing violence to the Constitution, enter upon the common hallway of an apartment building without warrant or express permission to do so.”29 This is true even if the officers had to climb over a locked gate to gain access.30

cont.

Do not skip the footnotes. ]]> Security LJB http://www.gardenscure.com/420/security/132761-police-surveillance-legal-guidelines.html Crackheads do stupid things....stay away. http://www.gardenscure.com/420/security/132658-crackheads-do-stupid-things-stay-away.html Sun, 15 Nov 2009 08:48:44 GMT Hi all,

So I'm sitting in chat, just messin around, when I hear a POUNDING on my door. Like it was gonna get broken.

Well, I live in a multi-unit building, and knew it wasn't the DEA or the cops, I'da heard the front door open. Couldn't be a fire, the only new thing in this place is the spiffy fire alarm hooked into the city FD.

Grabbed something just in case, go to the door....it's my neighbor, eyes looking all wild, talking about his girl cut him, call the cops. Zonked on some good crack I guess, I've smelled it coming out of his door once or twice. He's got a tiny little scratch on his arm, a little trickle of blood, like a cat scratched him.

He's wearing a shirt and naked otherwise. :wow2: :vomit: I didn't even notice til I was out in the hall, he was next to this little half wall banister thing, waist hidden below it.

I shut the door, with me in the hall, cos I figure if I'm fighting him it ain't gonna be in the apartment where the grow is.....all I need is for the :leo: report to read, "FutureGrower then shoved the suspect's head through the wall of the MJ Grow, rendering him unconscious......wait, now I gotta make two reports, dammit." :lol:

Girl comes out of the apartment as I'm calling cops, talking about asshole this, crackhead that, he's yelling back about ho's and bitches, and I just tell the cops a guy says he got cut, come now. Then I propped the entry door open and went back to my business.

Locked my door, ignored the cops when they came to the building. Well, listened to the crackhead refusing the ambulance (they sober up real quick once the cops come!)
and pretended nothing happened......
.....meanwhile, my grow is lights-on, fan going, got plants flowering and seedlings sprouting........

Did I stay around to see what happened? nope. Inside, door locked, and I have NO obligation to answer the door if the cops knock, or even acknowledge I heard them.

Did I ask if they need a report? No! I'm not trained for that and might fuck it up. I certainly don't want them at my door.....which is 2 feet from crackheads' door.

I'm not even gonna cull my plants! fuck em if they can't take a joke, but no-one saw anything about the grow, so.....:shrug: no worries.

Just thought I'd share, and post a reminder- anything could happen. If I wasn't sure of myself I never would have opened the door, but in this case it was better to contain him than not. Luckily hes already on the way out. No more crack in the building!

The whole thing took longer to type than to happen, I think it was 2-3 minutes total.

But just think, if my grow didn't stay bottled up, and I opened the door to someone who knew what they were looking at.......:busted: It can happen just that quick.

If you grow where you aren't supposed to, well it might not matter if you can't smell it, never tell it, and don't sell it. He coulda tried to push in and then I would've had to clock him, possibly leading to :leo: at my door.

Just a reminder to be on the safe side. ]]> Security Futuregrower http://www.gardenscure.com/420/security/132658-crackheads-do-stupid-things-stay-away.html Tampered Mail http://www.gardenscure.com/420/security/132544-tampered-mail.html Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:34:32 GMT I have a problem with my packages being molested with. I'm almost positive that someone at the post office is going through my parcels. Every time I get something in the mail it looks like someone has poked a hole through to check what has been coming to my house. Today I just got a package from botanicare and it looks like someone has torn the envelope. I also had someone mail me a plug for a portable ac unit and it came in with the corner basically torn like they were looking for money.

I want to file a complaint with the local postmaster but I feel like I will only be antagonizing the post office. I live in a small town and the locals have been known to stick together. I'm positive this is happening before it gets to my mail box. We live in a country club and our neighbors are not the type of people that go through each others mail. Their children are not an issue either.

This is a major security issue I need to resolve. What should I do? ]]> Security BlankMotif http://www.gardenscure.com/420/security/132544-tampered-mail.html <![CDATA[I've been Smart Meter'd!]]> http://www.gardenscure.com/420/security/132540-ive-been-smart-meterd.html Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:43:53 GMT My gas/electric company installed a Smart Meter at my house today. I didn't ask for it. They just did it. I read some threads earlier this year about these things and there was no clear verdict on how bad (if at all) these are to a grower. I only run a small medical grow. About 300w of CFLs with a 4" Growbright fan.

Any thoughts regarding how concerned I should be?

Thanks
DD ]]> Security Diamond Dave http://www.gardenscure.com/420/security/132540-ive-been-smart-meterd.html How long? http://www.gardenscure.com/420/security/132463-how-long.html Sat, 07 Nov 2009 03:39:08 GMT I am not sure if we are allowed to talk about this but, how long does it normally take for a shipment to arrive if you order from one of those internet sites? like what's your average delivery time? ]]> Security billnye1991 http://www.gardenscure.com/420/security/132463-how-long.html big problems http://www.gardenscure.com/420/security/132394-big-problems.html Thu, 05 Nov 2009 08:41:43 GMT i gave my landlord 30 days notice i was moving and now i get a paper on my door sayng hes showing the house on friday at 10 am and 1pm to a potental buyer of his property what do i do i already harvested the top of my plant to make it smaller i just dont kno were im going to put everything what do i do i cant just not let him in or nothin is thier someway i could pull this off? the ones ion the veg room can be hidden easily its just my sativa and i dont wanna have to harvest the rest this early idk someone help me out.... i gave my landlord 30 days notice i was moving and now i get a paper on my door sayng hes showing the house on friday at 10 am and 1pm to a potental buyer of his property what do i do i already harvested the top of my plant to make it smaller i just dont kno were im going to put everything what do i do i cant just not let him in or nothin is thier someway i could pull this off?

the ones ion the veg room can be hidden easily its just my sativa and i dont wanna have to harvest the rest this early idk someone help me out.... ]]> Security breezybong12 http://www.gardenscure.com/420/security/132394-big-problems.html shipping http://www.gardenscure.com/420/security/132344-shipping.html Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:16:23 GMT here is the deal i just recently moved to a new location and we are still paying rent at our old apertment and i was wondering if it would be safe to have hid lights shipped to our old apartment....considering my name is still atatched to the light. here is the deal i just recently moved to a new location and we are still paying rent at our old apertment and i was wondering if it would be safe to have hid lights shipped to our old apartment....considering my name is still atatched to the light. ]]> Security oncelor http://www.gardenscure.com/420/security/132344-shipping.html How do YOU get seeds and shipments? PO BOX? http://www.gardenscure.com/420/security/132336-how-do-you-get-seeds-shipments.html Wed, 04 Nov 2009 07:32:48 GMT I did a search, and the most recent info in the security forum is a couple years old so I thought I'd just ask.

How do you have stuff shipped to you? Do you have a USPS PO box, a box at the UPS or FEDEX place, etc?

A little more info may help weed out answers that won't be of help in my situation...
I can't really use a friend's address regularly, nor do I want someone else taking risks for me if I order seeds. And, I only have one address for myself, no other house or business to use.
I've called the local UPS and FedEx, and neither offers general delivery any longer.

Should I just go to a neighboring town and get a real PO box, even though ID is required? ]]> Security HerbalT http://www.gardenscure.com/420/security/132336-how-do-you-get-seeds-shipments.html google chrome incognito surfing? http://www.gardenscure.com/420/security/132108-google-chrome-incognito-surfing.html Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:59:06 GMT How safe is surfing using the new google chrome incognito function? I am not technically inclined, so please be plain in your answer. How safe is surfing using the new google chrome incognito function? I am not technically inclined, so please be plain in your answer. ]]> Security WW+SOG http://www.gardenscure.com/420/security/132108-google-chrome-incognito-surfing.html <![CDATA[SECURITY RISK: 8" Oracle Fan]]> http://www.gardenscure.com/420/security/132102-security-risk-8-oracle-fan.html Wed, 28 Oct 2009 07:34:54 GMT Holy Moly! I just turned on my 8" Oracle fan in my flower room and it is beyond loud. It first started up slow, and farely quiet and really picked up steam making a sound that could honestly be compared to some type of air craft.

I'm begining to worry. :lol: I've got to conceal this some how. I have yet to install the insulated ducting which should help some, but how much? My 4" Vortex is much quieter and almost sounds like a fridgerator hum.

I was thinking maybe I should get one of those fan controls to lower the speed. A while after unplugging this fan, I could still feel cool air blowing out of it!? Atleast I know it will be doing its job. Any ideas, or advice?

Maybe it's the medicine talkin, but I thought this fan would continue to get louder and louder till it launched off my floor. :lol:

The box says "Extremely quiet" Haha, I wonder what regular running fans sound like. ]]> Security Dr. Funkenstein http://www.gardenscure.com/420/security/132102-security-risk-8-oracle-fan.html Medical Card = Less Secure?... http://www.gardenscure.com/420/security/132093-medical-card-less-secure.html Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:46:48 GMT Hi all.

We all know that if you are the low key type, use common sense, and follow the main rules, that getting "discovered" would be very rare indeed.

But now if you have a card, you just told the state that you plan to posses and to grow.

"Who cares" says the cancer patient with extreme pain, its an ounce of weed for goodness sake - I know, and I agree. F them for, well, don't get us started on how rediculous it is to go after this person.

Well I for one suffer from severe pain and nausea - but I dont want a "suprise inspection" by the local police to make sure I am within the limits and guidlines of the law. Get out of my house please, my family and I do not want to be scrutenized and searched form time to time.

I would imagine that the feds can look at the list, and the letter from BO syaing not to bother me might not make a darn bit of difference to them - as it hasn't in the past.

Are these legitimate concerns? Is it better to just keep it from them? Has any card holder here had or heard of such things? Or am I just paranoia big destroya?

TY ]]> Security reach420 http://www.gardenscure.com/420/security/132093-medical-card-less-secure.html Venting into heating system; filtered air from grow room to rest of house? http://www.gardenscure.com/420/security/132031-venting-into-heating-system-filtered-air.html Mon, 26 Oct 2009 04:32:45 GMT I had an idea of venting my grow room into the heating duct in the ceiling, the aim being to direct it through the heating system into the rest of the house so its not going outside and is possibly warming the rest of the house in the process. Will the heating system work in conjunction with the warm air comming out of the room or will the exhaust fan cause too much backward pressure for the furnace? I am filtering the exhaust air with a can and venting through a window currently, but I would rather not vent out the window, carbon filter or not. I had an idea of venting my grow room into the heating duct in the ceiling, the aim being to direct it through the heating system into the rest of the house so its not going outside and is possibly warming the rest of the house in the process. Will the heating system work in conjunction with the warm air comming out of the room or will the exhaust fan cause too much backward pressure for the furnace? I am filtering the exhaust air with a can and venting through a window currently, but I would rather not vent out the window, carbon filter or not. ]]> Security Indiegurl http://www.gardenscure.com/420/security/132031-venting-into-heating-system-filtered-air.html Paranoid about being busted or robbed? Which is worse? http://www.gardenscure.com/420/security/132026-paranoid-about-being-busted-robbed-worse.html Mon, 26 Oct 2009 02:24:37 GMT Paranoid about being busted or robbed? Which is worse? What are the laws like in your area and how bad is the crime? What are some peoples concerns and how they address them?

I live in a decent area but have recently become sketchy about the hydro shop I have been buying from when a friend told me "dont go there its the worst place" associating it with thieves and cops. ]]> Security Indiegurl http://www.gardenscure.com/420/security/132026-paranoid-about-being-busted-robbed-worse.html