<![CDATA[The Garden's Cure - Propagation]]> http://www.gardenscure.com/420 (Discussions on cloning and propagation) en Fri, 20 Nov 2009 23:43:55 GMT vBulletin 60 http://www.gardenscure.com/420/images/blue-green/misc/rss.jpg <![CDATA[The Garden's Cure - Propagation]]> http://www.gardenscure.com/420 rooting time of clones. http://www.gardenscure.com/420/propagation/132268-rooting-time-clones.html Mon, 02 Nov 2009 06:55:17 GMT how long does it usually take for your clones to root? :lol: because ive only had success cloning with one of my strains before and that was long ago and a strain ive lost. but now, in a 4 inch pot, with a 2l bottle as a humidity dome (slight cut in the top for air) 2 feet away from a 400w mh (right at the edge, shade from 2 big pots, but surprisingly much light though) a clone has rooted! (top i accidentally broke off) and in 3 days, maybe a tad over. no less! :lol: started to grow and everything, almost quarter larger. i just put it there, little hope of success (have tried cloning this strain before :lol:) just took off the bottlecap maybe 5 mins each day. and added some water (30+c temps in there, goes up to 35c at night) so i wonder, obviously the higher temps, 23-30c in the past always. and the mh, thats new. so going from almost never cloning, to cloning in 3 days? ive read (one place) that mh speeds up the cloning process. have any of you any experience with that? how long does it take to root, i always hear 7 days minimal? how long does it usually take for your clones to root?

:lol: because ive only had success cloning with one of my strains before and that was long ago and a strain ive lost.

but now, in a 4 inch pot, with a 2l bottle as a humidity dome (slight cut in the top for air)
2 feet away from a 400w mh (right at the edge, shade from 2 big pots, but surprisingly much light though)

a clone has rooted! (top i accidentally broke off) and in 3 days, maybe a tad over. no less! :lol:

started to grow and everything, almost quarter larger.

i just put it there, little hope of success (have tried cloning this strain before :lol:) just took off the bottlecap maybe 5 mins each day. and added some water (30+c temps in there, goes up to 35c at night)

so i wonder, obviously the higher temps, 23-30c in the past always.

and the mh, thats new.

so going from almost never cloning, to cloning in 3 days?

ive read (one place) that mh speeds up the cloning process.

have any of you any experience with that? how long does it take to root, i always hear 7 days minimal? ]]> Propagation Sso http://www.gardenscure.com/420/propagation/132268-rooting-time-clones.html Rooting powder http://www.gardenscure.com/420/propagation/132265-rooting-powder.html Mon, 02 Nov 2009 04:55:48 GMT I picked up some rooting powder that came in a sachet. it says its good for 500 cuttings. how would i store the powder to stop it from going bad? I picked up some rooting powder that came in a sachet. it says its good for 500 cuttings. how would i store the powder to stop it from going bad? ]]> Propagation High Flyer http://www.gardenscure.com/420/propagation/132265-rooting-powder.html <![CDATA[Will my clone die if it's growth node is destroyed?]]> http://www.gardenscure.com/420/propagation/132219-will-my-clone-die-if-its.html Sun, 01 Nov 2009 00:49:01 GMT One of my clones had the growth node destroyed days after rooting. It had been in soil for 3-4 days and showed no sign of shock...untill the light bulb torched it. The roots seem to e ok and the leaves are still green. Will it grow another node or is it a goner? One of my clones had the growth node destroyed days after rooting. It had been in soil for 3-4 days and showed no sign of shock...untill the light bulb torched it. The roots seem to e ok and the leaves are still green. Will it grow another node or is it a goner? ]]> Propagation Bonesnoff http://www.gardenscure.com/420/propagation/132219-will-my-clone-die-if-its.html Cloning durring flowering stage? http://www.gardenscure.com/420/propagation/132211-cloning-durring-flowering-stage.html Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:00:30 GMT Can cuttings for cloning be started after the mother plant is in its flowering stage?
If so would this simply produce a smaller plant with fewer flowers?

I have only one closet to grow in and so I can't have both 12 hours of light and 24 hours of light in one 6 foot wide by 2 foot closet... I mean, even if I could partition the closet so light from the veg area doesn't sneak into the flowering area... the heat in that closet would be really high.

Or can I take cuttings for cloning a week or two before changing the lighting from 24 to 12 hours for both the 6 week old plants and the new clone? ]]> Propagation Insomniac http://www.gardenscure.com/420/propagation/132211-cloning-durring-flowering-stage.html Keeping moms for years... The Bonzi method http://www.gardenscure.com/420/propagation/132209-keeping-moms-years-bonzi-method.html Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:42:18 GMT This Article was originally published at overgrow.com 27/6/2000. Revised and archived 20/10/03 by Oldtimer1.
Now we will deal with every aspect of the care and maintenance of Mums including root and branch pruning as well as the renovation on an old mother well past her sell by date.

"Tired of huge unwieldy mothers that take up too much space? As I've shown before, a fully established bonsai mum only takes 8 inches x 8 inches."

This bonsai mother, if well fed, produce 10 to 30 good cuttings every 14 days under an HID or every 20 days under fluorescent shop light. This means a 4 ft x 2 ft shoplight with 18 Mums, could produce an output of over 9500 cuttings a year.


Typical Bonsai Mum



We are not talking about intensive production here but it shows just how flexible and efficient the system can be. What it does for the connoisseur is allow them to keep a good selection of varieties in a relatively small space. If you don't fancy growing one for 6 months or a year it doesn't matter. All she will need is regular maintenance.

Lets start with Mumming up a plant from a rooted cutting, once again this is simple. You will find that with every batch of cuttings a few will stand out, being sturdier and generally looking better all round, pick one or two of these to make your Mums, not some wimpy left over reject. Remember this mum will provide you with cuttings 4 to 18 times a year for the next 3 to 15 years, so only the best will do. Pick a fully rooted through cutting from the plug tray and pot on into a 2.5 inch square pot. I find square pots much easier to deal with when it comes to root pruning, as you will see later.

Grow it on for a few days so it can start rooting through then trim its top back to leave 3 or 4 side shoots







These little branches to be will make the main framework of your Mum. Ideally as they grow they should form an open cup shape. The top 2 will grow the fastest and when they get to about 5 inches pinch or snip out their growing tips to just above a leaf node. This will allow the second pair to catch up in a day or so, then pinch them out as well. This will encourage side shoots to form, any that grow into the central cup shaped space pinch out.

You will now have 6 to 8 leading shoots coming up. When they reach 4 to 6 inches they can be taken as your first set of cuttings. You cut them back to just above the first leaf node of the new growth. So after the cuttings have been taken the mum is only a tiny bit larger than the last time she was cut back but the main branches will be starting to get thicker.

Now is the time to move up to the next pot size and a 3 inch sq is ideal. The next set of leading shoots will tend to be 12 to 16, plus there will be others coming up from lower nodes so in total there may be 30 or more. Any really thin ones or any growing into the centre either cut back to one node or remove altogether.



In the picture above from the left:- [one], is the trimmed cutting from above. [two], Has had 2 sets of cuttings taken off and is more than ready to move to a 3 inch pot. As you can see it is a little short of N showing its better to move after only taking one set of cuttings. [three] in a 3 inch pot 12 cuttings have been taken with 2 left on to show where to cut back to. [four] is a five year old Mum that has just had 32 cuttings taken off and could do with some more small twiggy bits removed. She is in a 1 litre pot and has been since she was 3 months old.


Note how all have an open centre, this allows light to both the centre and the outside. It will fill in between taking cuttings but if pruned back to this form, makes better and more even growth giving more good cuttings each time. Water only is used while forming the Mums and no fertiliser. It is not until they are in their final 1 litre pots and a set or two of cuttings have been taken that feeding starts.


The general care and maintenance for fully formed mother plants.

The Mums need just enough fertiliser to keep them healthy. Feed of half strength fertiliser twice a month, using say a 6-2-4 fish mix as about right [its not critical]! This keeps them in good general health but doesn't over feed them. If you want faster production at any point change to a full strength feed once or twice. Every 2 to 4 weeks a new batch of cuttings are taken even if they are not needed and just put in the worm bin. You can think of it as being like having to mow the lawn and keeps the mum the same size and form for years. Because so much is taken away they can get short of macro nutrients so every month or so give them a foliar spray using maxicrop. Judge this by how the plants are looking not by a time table.

One of the main things that all growers need to learn is regular close observation. To know when they are healthy and need nothing to the first signs of deficiencies appearing. The one thing they may run short of is magnesium even if dolomite lime is used in the compost, this is easily dealt with by one watering plus a foliar spray, using 1 ounce of Epsom salts dissolved in a gallon of water.

They will need root pruning once or twice a year. This depends on how intensively they are fed and how good your water quality is. Despite what is normally quoted it is virtually impossible to flush out salt build up from a root ball. A temporary over fertilisation yes but the gradual crystallisation of salts and carbonate deposits no! If your water supply is heavily contaminated with minerals I recommend a small Reverse-Osmosis filter to clean your water for both your Mums and your production plants.
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]]> Propagation vapedg13 http://www.gardenscure.com/420/propagation/132209-keeping-moms-years-bonzi-method.html Tips for mother plants? http://www.gardenscure.com/420/propagation/132001-tips-mother-plants.html Sun, 25 Oct 2009 01:00:39 GMT Ive decided to grow a couple mothers for the first time and would appreciate any tips and opinions for keeping them. Should I cut off the top now to keep them smaller or cut off the top when i take the rest of my cuttings? How long do you guys usually keep your mothers? One round of cutting or many? Ive decided to grow a couple mothers for the first time and would appreciate any tips and opinions for keeping them.

Should I cut off the top now to keep them smaller or cut off the top when i take the rest of my cuttings?

How long do you guys usually keep your mothers? One round of cutting or many? ]]> Propagation Indiegurl http://www.gardenscure.com/420/propagation/132001-tips-mother-plants.html Look at this clone cut off in flowering?? http://www.gardenscure.com/420/propagation/131988-look-clone-cut-off-flowering.html Sat, 24 Oct 2009 17:42:53 GMT Please help, I need to save these genetics. I cut this about two weeks ago. It has very little new growth. The fan leave has been discoloring but is still atteched to the plant. It is on constant light. I feed pure water with/superthrive.. 1/4 stregth bloom formula. every few days... Kept Humidity high ... Dont know whats going on here... Please help, I need to save these genetics. I cut this about two weeks ago. It has very little new growth. The fan leave has been discoloring but is still atteched to the plant. It is on constant light. I feed pure water with/superthrive.. 1/4 stregth bloom formula. every few days... Kept Humidity high ... Dont know whats going on here...
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