2point4

Spoken like true champions.

While my experiences with it weren't bad, they were far from good. I'll say that I've never experienced a high like that in my life. And when it was over and I came back to Earth, I felt disturbed and angry...literally. I just couldn't figure out why I was so mad.

It's not a party drug, if that's what you're looking for. This is something that needs to be done with relatively few distractions. A nice quite place is best. It allows the mind to drift further and further from reality and off into the Salvianiverse. Minimal lighting and NO loud music. And please, please, please make sure that you are surrounded by people that care about you, not a bunch of jerks that are going to laugh as you fall face first into the fire. It would probably be best if everyone experienced their journey one at a time.

Good luck with your experiment.

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megatrich

One doesn't has to smoke salvia until they are completely shitfaced, there's a whole scale of effect:

* Level 1 - "S" stands for SUBTLE effects:
A feeling that 'something' is happening, although it is difficulty to say just what. Relaxation and increased sensual appreciation may be noted. This mild level is useful for meditation and may facilitate sexual pleasure.

* Level 2 - "A" stands for ALTERED perception:
Colors and textures are paid attention to. Appreciation of music may be enhanced. Space may appear of greater or lesser depth than is usual. But visions do not occur at this level. Thinking becomes less logical, and more playful; short term memory difficulties are may be noted.

* Level 3 - "L" stands for LIGHT visionary state:
Closed eye visuals (clear imagery with eyes closed: fractal patterns, vinelike and geometric patterns, visions of objects and designs). The imagery is often two dimensional. This level envokes phenomena similar to the hypnagogic phenomena that many people experience with the onset of sleep. If open eyed visual effects occur, these are usually vague and fleeting. At this level visions are experienced as "eye candy" but are not confused with reality.

* Level 4 - "V" stands for VIVID visionary state:
Complex three dimensional realistic appearing scenes occur. Sometimes voices may be heard. With eyes open contact with consensual reality will not be entirely lost, but when you close your eyes you may forget about consensus reality and enter completely into a dreamlike scene. Shamanistic journeying to other lands, foreign or imaginary; encounters with beings, entities, spirits; or travels to other ages may occur. You may even live the life of another person. At this level you have entered the shaman's world. Or if you prefer you are in "dream time." With eyes closed you experience fantasies (dream like happenings, with a story line to them). So long as your eyes are closed you may believe they are really occurring. This differs from the "eye candy" closed eye imagery of level 3.

* Level 5 - "I" stands for IMMATERIAL existence:
At this level consciousness remains and some though processes are still lucid, but one becomes completely involved in inner experience and looses all contact with consensual reality. Individuality may be lost; one experiences merging with God/Goddess, mind, universal consciousness, or bizarre fusions with other objects real or imagined, e.g. merging with a wall may be experienced. At this level it is impossible to function in consensual reality, but unfortunately some people do not remain still but move around in this befuddled state. For this reason a sitter is essential to ensure the safety of someone voyaging to the inner levels. To the person experiencing this, the phenomenon may be terrifying or exceedingly pleasant; but to an outside observer the individual may appear confused or disoriented.

* Level 6 - "A" stands for AMNESIC effects:
At this stage either consciousness is lost; or at least one is unable to later recall what one is experiencing. The individual may fall, or remain immobile or thrash around; somnambulistic behavior may occur; injuries can be sustained without pain being felt; on awakening the individual will have no recollection of what he/she did, experienced or said in level 6. People cannot ever recall what they experience in this very deep trance state. This is not a sought after level as later nothing can be recalled of the experience.



Anyway, if you smoke an extract, you're very likely to hit level 6, which isn't all that fun. It takes salvia about 30s to hit you, so smoking extracts it's tempting to take a hit, nothing happens, take another hit and immediately start tripping balls from the first hit, then you say 'uh oh' and the universe implodes... I've had better luck not overdoing it on straight leaf. Just take as many big hits as you can until you can't anymore and that'll get you to a nice 4 or 5 every time.

They say to smoke it in a tobacco pipe because you need a big bowl. I simply wrapped some aluminum foil arond the bowl of the bong to extend it to about the size of my thumb, then pack it loosely in that bowl. Salvorin has a high vaporization temperature, unlike THC, so you want to blast it with a lighter or mini-torch and get it going like a blast furnace. The bong is very helpful with this because it reduces the temperature before it hits your throat.

There are some interesting aspects to the experience. The first thing I notice is the body rush, very extreme tingling. Like diving naked into a pile of crispy fall leaves. Then you are overcome by uncontrollable laughter and go on a journey. It's quite amusing to watch someone trip of this stuff because they giggle so much and say funny stuff like "horseys" and "pirates" in-between laughs.

My personal experiences included sinking into a hole in the bed until it looked like I was looking up from the bottom of a well (thank god this was before 'the ring' came out) and I could see faces around the edge of the hole and they were talking about me like I had intruded on their realm or something. Another time I got sucked through the wall into the appartment on the other side, everything was the mirror image of the one I'd been in, but different - including different people. I hung out with them for a minute, then 'squirted' back through the wall to land back on the bed with my friends. Once I also merged with a 2x4 and learned that my table leg was quite proud of it's strength and grain. The biggest dose I've had, of a homeade extract, resulted in everything going white and floating in purgatory with no memory of why I was there, what I was doing or who I even was. This was disturbing because I knew that I was supposed to know important things but it was all gone. That must be what it's like to wait for reincarnation in purgatory...

Coming down is more or less the reverse, laughing (you laugh all the way through but only remember the first and last of it), then tingling and finally a gradual landing until about T+3 minutes you're more or less normal. Sometimes it affects one side of the body more than the other, often on the comedown one side of the room is spinning, while the other is normal (imagine being inside a rubix cube while one half is being rotated). Attempting to walk in this state will result in walking in circles. It's best to stay seated, but you won't remember that - pick a place without sharp or hard things to run into or fall on.

Salvia doesn't have much of a high that comes after the rush, but in conjuntion with marijuana it seems to 'kick it up a notch'. Salvia is also a pretty effective stimulant, and we found that we were more energetic and stayed up later on nights when salvia was smoked. This was good to counteract the 'couchlock' from MJ. We did not have to smoke enough salvia to have much of a salvia experience in order to get the stimulant effect out of it. Just enough to tingle a bit is all it takes.

So in conclusion, there are different levels of trips one can have on salvia, and certainly there's a point to which most people would object - although even then it gives an interesting insight to have been there. The stimulant effects of salvia can make it a useful party drug for staying active longer, but you really need to know the strength of the stuff and your own tolerance to properly administer it for that purpose. I seem to remember it making the ladies rather frisky too.

Different people have widely different tolerance to the stuff, and a certain percentage, 10-20%, have almost no reaction to it at all. It's best to start small and work you way up with 5 minute interludes. The stuff is relatively cheap anyway, so might as well do it right.

In the world of mind altering substances, I put salvia in the same category as nitrous. More of a condiment than a main course, and pretty unfufilling on it's own - but it is to marijuana what horseradish is to prime rib. Some dig it, some don't, and it can suck if you over-do it. To each their own in the end.

Rhino1973

megatrich, that was an awesome and very informative post.

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afterburner

Very well put. Extracts can shoot you from level 1 to level 6 skipping everything in between You try to make it to level three, but only make it to level two. So you take another hit and next thing you know your universe is crumbling away, a giant tractor is crushing you under its metal treads, and your life flashes before your eyes.

Then you proceed to throw away the rest of your salvia 15 minutes later

If you're gonna do it stick with regular ol' leaf. Its much nicer.

On the same note lets not let this thread get too out of hand on any off-topic substance discussions here. I can see it going that direction.

Ahem:
-burner

buzzmobile

That's a timely reminder, afterburner.

friction2k

wow this thread was very informational. i think im going to go to my local headshop and buy some leaves to try with my buddies home for x-mas break.

i'll try anything once except heroin and incest.

thatoneguy

ha its funny you guys should bring this topic up now, i just ordered an ounce of salvia from iamshaman.com. they've got much cheaper prices than any headshop ive seen. so anyway, ive never tried it, but i cant wait to. im also gonna try to make some extract on my own, ill let you guys know how that turns out (just google: make salvia extract to find some directions...)

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megatrich

See how it is straight first and don't overdo it. To make an analogy of how many people sound talking about trying this stuff:

"I heard of this legal stuff called alcohol, but the most commonly available form is called beer and I've heard that it takes quite a lot of it to have any effect. So instead I'm ordering some everclear. I'm not really sure how much to use, so I figure on sitting down and taking shots until something happens..."

2 days later:

"That everclear came in today. Boy was it nasty. I choked down 12 oz and the room spun and it was kind of cool at first - but then I chipped a tooth on the toilet and got so dehydrated that I woke up with blood pouring out my nose and a splitting headache that lasted days. NEVER AGAIN!"

Fortunately salvia can't kill as easy as booze can, but you get the picture.

2point4

Wow, an ounce of Salvia is a lot.

I'll start the bidding now. 5-1 odds that a year from now, he'll have 27.5 grams left. And 3-1 that he'll have 27.5 grams 5 years from now.

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buzzmobile

That's a sucker's bet for sure.