Treadwell

I just now read through this entire thread. (hadnt noticed it previously)

I had an absolutely IDENTICLE problem here on one of my potted plants.

My opinion is gonna go way off from that of the rest. Only my opinion from the problem here though.

Not slugs or snails

I have an amazing slug infestation this year. Beyond ANY i recall in the past..

I have since, rectified it. I bought some Ortho, Iron phosphate powder. Its killing slugs by the dozens around the plants.

The ones in ground that were originally affected are not at all anymore.

The two in 5 gallon buckets that were not infested initially, became so later on. Even though i didnt think the fuckers would climb up the buckets. (they never took the initiative in past years)

I PLASTERED the ground around the pots with that snail/slug killer since the roots are never going to come in contact with it.

Even though i had seen no more slugs on plants, and a crazy amount of dead ones around the containers, the problem of the minescule holes continued.

I dont know what part of the next step did it for me. The nutes or the residue from the nutes, but i gave a heavy foliar feed. (which i never do usually)

The tiny holes that were there still are. Havent "healed" or anything, but, the new growth beyond those affected leaves has been coming in flawless.

No more little holes. Just typical shiny green growth.

Dont know if itll help. Or if that was the solution to MY issue.

Maybe whatever was eating them just decided to back of and turn its attention to some other native foliage.

Either way.. once i had foliar fed the leaves started coming in like they should. So, im satisfied..

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dave.b

Sure, I totally agree

So, as soon as you started feeding leaves, the new grow spots were no more affected.... wich nute are u using? do you think this is the key, or maybe it's just a coincidence?

dave.b

Hi Greenfern
I experienced heavy spidermite problems on some indoor grows years ago... what I remeber is that they reproduces themselves f***ng quickly and you can clearly see entires colonies of these little red bastards on the back of the leaves...

I don't think they are spidermites........ I really don't know who is to blame this time

Treadwell

Thats what i was getting at...

I have no idea if it was the true solution or simply coinsidence.

Im just using a cheap Schultz fert on those two. Shcultz Plus with Micro Nutrients, to be exact.

Im not sure if the infestation just subsided of its own accord, or, if there was somthing unappealing about that stuff being on the leaves that stopped whatever it was from nibbling.

Could be simply be that the bugs backed off at the same time i sprayed the things.. I dunno.

Again though, It did stop happening afterward, and since a foliar feed isnt gonna do any real damage... what can it hurt??

Worse case scenario that i coulda figured was that id come out and still find holes in my leaves.

At that point i wasnt sure if it was somthin nutrient related or pest related. Itd never happened before..

Whichever of the cases, its gone now. All it cost me was some temporary nutrients from wally world...

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greenfern

Hi Treadwell,
Thanks for chiming in, I've been wondering about the nutrient possibility. Think I'll try giving them a foliar feed . Can't hurt as you say.
gf

Treadwell

I just came back in a few minutes ago from checking those two.

I got a little more curious about looking into what the cause was seeing as how other ppl were havin an identical problem.

Look closely at you plants. If there are more than one, check and compare them all.

I noticed when inspecting some leaves that had grown in prior to this whole ordeal, that there were slight signs of it before these holes appeared.

Of the two in the buckets, one didnt become affected nearly as bad as the other.( Ill call that plant #1) Coinsedentaly plant #1 was also a deeper more vivid green then its sister. Got me thinking...

When i looked at this healthier lookin plant #1, i noticed that at about the same point in growth that i got the holes in plant #2 there are teeny tiny light green-white spots clustered together like the tiny holes were.

Then i went back to the severely affected #2 girl and looked at the stuff that came prior to the holes on her.

Sure enough (though BARELY noticable) the couple sets of leaf sets that came in ahead of the riddled ones have those same teeny whitish/greenish flecks.

I dont know about what anyone else here would say, or for that matter what kind of nutrient deficiency would cause such a thing, but, This was some kind of def. in my plants.

I questioned it once or twice and was back and forth over that and the bugs for a while.

Now after having looked so closely, comparing them, and having seen them come around from the foliar spray, im thoroughly convinced that there was somthing lacking in their diet.

Hope the input helps.

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dave.b

Hi Treadwell
many thanks for your detailed infos..... anyway I'm quite sure it's not lacking something: I have never seen any lack of nutes that causes holes in the leaves...

maybe the foliar feeding can keep leaves strong enough to stop the enemy attack.... whatever is the enemy we're talking about.... as Greenferm said, Think I'll try giving them a foliar feed

the fact that your problem is now solved, give me the hope that I & GF can solve ours too

I think I could collect more infos from the plant, but, you know, I have not seen my baby since this thread is started....
it's a sort of guerrilla growing...... I can't visit her as often as I would do
but you my friends already know that........ it's much much better than nothing
JUUUUSTTT
CAAAAAAN'T
WAIIIIIIIIITT
hope to report u some good news in the next few days

just a last question Treadwell: how often are you spraying the leaves? - once a week, once a month, once at all???

Treadwell

Just figured id give the detailed run through that brought me to conclusions. Though you could very possibly be right in the fact that it might not have been a defficiency.

Like i said previously, could just be somthing that makes the leaves unappetizing to somthing that potentialy is snacking on them. "i dunno"

It did seem to work though. For whatever reason...
I only sprayed them once a week or so ago. Reasonably heavily.

I havent seen any new holes, so ive had no need to do it again. However if the problem arises a second time i will no doubt go back with my spray bottle and give them another good shower in the stuff.

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dave.b

Hi Treadwell Yes the last time I gave to her a full shower starting from the back of the leaves at the bottom of the plant, and then slowly rising up.... 1 liter of water plus a small amount of sodium silicate and amargo. They're both aphids / spidermites / fungus etc. killers, usaully worked very well

I want to continue using this BIO-insecticide, so I'm thinking to add some nutes right into the sprayer.... or do u think the mix can hurt the plant?

I have made a quick search and I've found that Schultz is a very general nutrient 10-15-10, and it is not properly developed for foliar feeding...
do you think that I can use a minor amount of the same nutrients I'm actually using for feeding the roots? I mean, can I use a little amount of Diamond Nectar from GHE and BioGrow from BioBizz for foliar feeding? I'm asking this, because they are not properly developed for foliar feeding.....

hey sorry if it's just a stupid question, I'm not an expert, and especially for what is about feeding the leaves
and I would not to do something wrong

Treadwell

I cant be sure as to give you advice on the mixing of your pesticides and nutes.

Like i said before, i never foliar feed. I just did it this time out of curiosity of seeing if it was somthing nutrient related.

I know Schultz is not well rounded. It is a GARBAGE fertilizer really... I just used it because i went through all the Fox farms hydro stuff i was given...

Maybe the shitty ferts is what was killing off the pests.. not sure.

Id love to give better advice here but id honestly rather note give any than give you some that may end up being a bad mix and hurting your plants.

I was only sharing the info that seemed to stop the problems on my end.

I dont want to cuase you any more grief my man

Ill search it some too and see if i can help any...

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If a pot plant grows in the woods, and no one is around to smell it, does it make a scent?

2009 OUTDOOR - failed lunar grow

BREEDING AUTOS - hempy style