MAKING MAGIC HEALING OIL - Page 5

JustinK · 05-29-2009, 01:12 PM

I'm not sure about the heating factor, but I know someone who has used Everclear grain alcohol as the solvent, and I believe that is 95% or 96% ethanol, so whatever you are using should be fine.

ljmgd8 · 05-29-2009, 02:54 PM

When using butane as a solvent, you only extract thc and cannabidoids. With other solvents tars, waxes . So when using butane...i beleive the same material is extracted with bud or with trim..only the quantity differ.
Pupuguru makes his oil with high quality trim (small buds) from amsterdam weed. He says with very good results

JustinK · 05-29-2009, 04:13 PM

Oh, well if Sam is seeing good results with trim, then that is excellent. I have only been saying what I've been saying from what I've heard, I never said there was any science behind it. I can admit when I am not knowledgable about a certain aspect of this endeavor, but I am happy to know that trim is working well, since many growers prefer to use their trim for this purpose.

pupuguru · 05-29-2009, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by chronik_catfish

I was thinking about different ways and such to make the oil. I have made small amounts in the past using both butane and hexane as well as your usual way of making iso oil. butane and hexane are kind of volatile compared to the iso and other solvents and was pandering the ideas of a safer alternative.

I know RS uses namtha or Petroleum Ether... and was wandering if 95% or better Ethanol could be used in place of petroleum based solvent. I have an alembic copper still i use to make ethanol(aka moonshine). RS mentioned in his videos that distilling is the proper way to actually making the oil because you can re-use the solvent after it is distilled off and the oil remains in the still.

I have some trim and popcorn buds left over from my recent harvest and was thinking of soaking it in the already made 95% ethanol for a few days or so then distilling it again.

If i'm correct this method should create the oil in the same way. The boiling point of ethanol is around 173 degrees and should be low enough heat not to damage the thc. I'm making the ethanol from corn yeast and sugar just to throw that in.

By distilling it I should eliminate the harmfull vapors that are being emitted into the air as the solvent evaporates thus making it safer???

Any input on this idea would be greatly appreciated before i go and throw all my trim in the pot and let it soak????

catfish

High, This is the way the hashmakers I have known of in Nepal, Afghanistan and other places work oil Catfish. They use a big pressure cooker as the vessel, easier to get the oil out and you don't have to worry about the contamination in the alcohol from non copper still, cause you aren't drinking it and you purge the oil. Just connect your worn to the pressure port on the lid. Be careful to cook it low and slow so no oil bubbles up to clog the worm hole. Good to keep the safety valve. ;-D Didn't mean to flame you bro, I was a bit touchy over some shit I had to eat from somewhere else. Sorry bout it, it's all good. ;-D GBSEGWW

pupuguru · 05-29-2009, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by snowboarderCO42

yeah that's what I think Luke... if you are just harvesting trichs it should be the same, right? I mean are you telling me that the trichs on my sugar leaves are not the same as the ones on my buds? does that make sence to anyone? I am not trying to "stir the pot", but come on... I am not saying the yeild would be close to the same... just saying THC should be THC no matter if I got it from the bud I grew or the sugar leaves I cut off that bud... should be the same trichs... just less of them... please correct me if I am wrong....

High, It is my experience from seeing a hundred kilos of clip, trim, manicure, whatever, made into concentrate with butane (UNILITE only) that you are EXACTLY CORRECT. And the yield from good sugerleaf (along with the pot-corn buds, this is what I call trim, cause you can't sell it in the shops.) is higher than whole buds of the same weed, at least in my experience. This is simple, there is a higher ratio of trich to plant material. Try running bho duff. There ain't nothing left. Second run looks like black gooey grease. We don't waste solvent on leaf or trim stuff that doesn't yield good, clean tasty essence of hempflowers and at a high %. It is better than the best iceolator in taste and high, so far that is the only test anyone has mentioned and I'll go there. Make it a category in the 2009 Cup and lets go for it.

pupuguru · 05-29-2009, 06:39 PM

BTW JJG, I use the same method as RS to rough test material. A joint of Dutch trim is better than a joint of a lot of US weed.

*Freakshow68* · 05-29-2009, 06:59 PM

Nigel, you still there? It seems your thread has been completely taken over, my friend.
For chemicals, you want to use a solvent, such as high grade Naptha, that will completely evaporate away, leaving only the honey oil behind. Alcohol does this, ether does this, so does high grade butane. Heating the oil gently after extraction will evaporate out the solvent. Look for food grade alcohol or Naptha and that no additives at all. Make sure you are checking the label. Fine tobacco shops will carry pure butane as well.

JustinK · 05-29-2009, 07:56 PM

I am very ecstatic to hear that the trim oil is working as well as the bud oil. I know I kept saying that it was inferior, but apparently I was wrong, and I did admit I wasn't too sure about that. As for the solvents, it seems it can be 99-100% evaporated out through heating, and honestly, I think if any was left, the damage it would cause could be reversed by the oil itself.

This one doctor was talking about how naptha was carcinagenic and bonded to the oil and that it actually caused cancer! This guy was an idiot and he wasted a lot of my and my friend Michael's time. Even if what he was saying was accurate, the benefits of the oil far outweigh the small costs, and as I said, any damage is reversed by the healing effects of the oil. And besides, Rick has been using naptha oil for years and has had no problems with it. It's kind of like those new cannabis studies that come out and say weed is bad. Well, look at real life. Is anything bad happening from people smoking it? No. So it doesn't matter what new study comes out; nothing changes!

**Silentsmoke** · 05-29-2009, 08:10 PM

Well we got some terrible news today, seems we won't be needing her oil after all.

She just got word that she does in fact need a liver transplant.

JustinK · 05-29-2009, 11:22 PM

I'm very sorry to hear that. I am sure she'll be able to get it without a problem, though. These things can be difficult, but at least they go through the majority of the time.

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