daltron

you no longer have to max out the nutes to get max results......I'm sorry I did not bookmark my source of information for this......but from my research I've learned that the BB's are so effencient at converting the nutes into useful, easy to use plant food that the plants uptake of useful food is increased from several hundred to several thousand times that of regular organic nutes without the aid of BB's.....hence you get a more complete consumption of food on hand and have less excessive nute waste and or build up of unused minierals..........

from my first run, so far, I've learned that using BOG's seeds though veg and first week of flower a ppm of 600 to 750 is all that is needed......when I increased above the ppm750 mark there was no visible signs of increased growth in any form.......

in the 2nd and begining of 3rd weeks I have increased to 1250ppm......I think this is higher than I need to be ...one plant on just a couple of leaf tips is begining to show signs of nute burn.....the plant will handle this small amount of nute burn so I will hold here and set 1250 as my max ppm for this grow.....I will probablly keep future Bog grows in the flower stage to 1100ppm as a max......

after all there is really no sense to wasting nutes or poisening the nute solution with high concentrations of unsed minerals.......give the BB's what they need, no less , no more and they will do what they have always done and that is create and maintain a happy healthy simbiotic harmony and balance between the plants, the nutes and themselves.....as for overfeeding and killing the BB's I don't know ......I've not seen the need to go that far and in all of my research have found no mention of what happens if you over feed the BB's........


No problem.......the system does run 24/7.....as I stated in the begining..... the constant flow rate is needed not only to maintain the high DO levels in the root zone.......but also the constant movement of the solution thoughout the complete system eliminates dead zones or dead spots......no place for the bad bacteria or fungus to gain a foothold for they require stagnent or slow moving water with little to no D.O........by keeping it moving you help to keep it clean as well as oxygenated.......after all would you ever shut down your air pumps to your DWC buckets??


I hope this information has answered your questions.....if not restate the question and I will try again

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jamesgang

... It was my mis understanding of the 24/7 thing. You want to exchange the res`s so many times an hour, hence the need for the correct gph pump. Look for bio jamesgang next year ...

JG

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daltron

Hello all

Well JG thinking of going Bio.....that is a grow that I want to see !!!!!!.......I'll be watching for you....good luck

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Doctor Talc

I have been trying to learn how to move forwards from NFT which i think is rubbish at getting alot of highly DO'd water to the WHOLE root system of a plant, as it just flows underneath and often provides very limited coverage and penetration of the root 'mat' when the mat is fully developed because the mat grows INTO the channels needed for NFT to work in the first place!!!

Anyway, this system looks THE most promising for the equation of

Likely Yield x Learning Curve x Maintenance time required x System Setup costs x scaleability

thats how im trying to weigh up BB against an Aero design ive been looking at...

But A L A S I cant see the images at the start of this thread!

Can someone tell me why???

I can see the recent ones but not back at the crucial 'this is how the design looks' stage!!!

Taa

Doc Talc

EDIT: Even without seeing the design oriented images, i can see how this works i think. Great, the low upkeep of how the BB's keep the solution from going off/stale or becoming toxic is great, truly inspiring. I moved from using H202 in my res using NFT to using Cannazyme which is the same basic principle right? (friendly enzymes which convert the plant discharges into food for them once again) That worked much better but the part I dont understand is how you keep the balance of Nutrients when the plant is taking more and more out over the course of the grow, do your bio nutes work just like Canna Aqua or similar hydro nutes where you can just top up to maintain the correct EC level?

I also dont really get why in this system the plants positively WANT to accept a higher PH level, i think maybe its all just too much to take in during one reading session.

The Doc might make a lower pass later on i think over this fascinating material!

Great Journal, respect for responding to all comers with such detail!

cheers

Doc Talc

daltron

Hello Doc Tac,

I just went though the entire posting and all the pic's all working.......if it still does not work for you , you may have to check your computer settings, but right now all pic's are up and running......

just FYI, just completed the first grow and cure....since I grew from seed I lost 9 plants to being male....leaving me with just 5 plants for the first run......guess what people I got over 3 pounds from just 5 plants... I like this system it is everything I had hoped for and more.....

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Doctor Talc

Daltron

Thanks for doing that! I edited my post with more pesky dumbairse questions probably while you were writing your reply... sorry!

re: the pics, Ok whats happening is this: all the posts where the images are ATTACHED THUMBNAILS i can see them, but when they are IN THE MESSAGE body itself, no go, they are all broken images...

(sorry for the caps!)

wouldnt you just know it! I find a setup i can really dig and i cant see how its put together!!!

Oh also i forgot to ask, these Bio Nutrients that you use, where do they come from, are there UK suppliers for them??

and lastly, my BIG thumbs up to this method which HAS to trounce all other comers is the fact that you are not pouring 100's of GALLONS of sh*te down the drain constantly which for all other hydro systems is a major concern (for me anyway, look what problems its caused to the marine and plant life in Amsterdam...)

so a Massif to you on that... Hands down 5 star job Geez...

Cheers

Doc Talc

daltron

If you want to see my photo album for construction click here

If you want to see the pic's from the first grow click here

now these are links to my photo albums so there will be no explantion with them but at least you can what I'm talking about......

FlorNova grow and FlorNova Bloom are the organic nutes I'm using made by Gen Hydroponics.......

also used GH SubCulture inoculant to aid bio - life

hope this helps Doc......got questions just ask I will try to help.....

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Doctor Talc

Daltron

yes, thanks. I went through the whole album. Its pretty much as i thought, large pump feeds the water in then gravity drain through the huge central return pipe. The only thing I dont understand in that lot is the float valve... is that to cut power to the pump if for some reason the level in the res gets too high???

Also what are the red on/off valves for?? Why would you ever want to stop one except in a blockage situation???

I do agree with Kat person about having the drain at the bottom, i'd imagine it would equalise whats happening within each bucket at differing depths better as the root ball does take different stuff out of the water at different depths doesnt it?

All in all, it looks like a mother of all plumbing jobs to set up, but i guess you are going for few but very large and productive plants, something that stands ANY grower in good stead if busted as the fuzz often just base things on a straight head-count...

Hmmm...

How many man hours would you say that lot took to get properly installed and running?

Cheers again for your help!

Doc Talc

osaka

peace, i too have been reading this thread and all the others i could find pretaining to bio buckets, and i am impressed and would consider going this route once i complete my first dwc grow, my queston is these, how noisy is the pump if ur tryin to maintain a stealth setup? is this setup feasible in 5sqft space? peace!

thuongchi

Hi! Daltron,
It is very good system. I am just wondering about what you mention about this. "2nd note: in case of power loss to pump….. res will fill then overflow back up the 4” pvc return line preventing spills and or a big mess J" I guess that even the pump fail, the water still in the bucket because water level never higher than the return hole of the line on the bucket. The suppy barb is higher than the hole, so there is not siphone back to reservoir. Can you explain this more clearly please because I am so worried about flooding if it happen.
Thank you for sharing a very good system to us.
H