chappie

hello-

I hope this is the right forum. I've been looking for anwers to this for over a year. I live in a state with decent med laws. However, I am led to believe you need a long-existing condition. I am going to a new doctor next week, and a big part of it is to seek a recommendation.

Should I mention my conditions (and self-found cure) initially, or just mention the condition and wait a few months, and then go back and suggest my cure? I believe he will suggest painkillers, which I do not want (most all of them make me horribly sick). Or should I accept the prescription, and THEN tell him they make me sick, but I happened to find something that doesnt? I am not trying to game the system, I am just trying to legitimize my own already-verified medicinal regime.

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Check your local NORML chapter or city MMJ advocate web site. There is often, at least for CA: published lists of doctors that make MMJ referrals.

Going to an anonymous GP may or may not work, esp. if the doc is in a HMO.

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chappie---Well being in a medical state, I'd think him approving of your mj use would be high up on your list to know if that's the doctor you want to continue with.

If you think mj is for you, and wondering if your doctor does, there is only one way and that's being straight forward and asking him.

Being in a medical state, if he doesn't come across as willing to sign, or even willing to listen, then move on to the next doctor.

I sure don't want to pay someone in this day and age that doesn't agree with my thoughts for my own well being with using mj instead of other prescribed drugs for whatever various reasons.

You have to believe its the best option for you using marijuana first and why you think those reasons, and then it comes easy talking with any doctor about promoting the use of it and saying how it helps you and then give instances of when prescribed drugs gave you whatever reasons you have for not wanting to take them and marijuana instead.

IMHO

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Alleycat

chappie

The situation is that I live in a very small town... there are not a lot of doctors to choose from. This one is very well-regarded and it has taken a long time to get an appointment, so moving from one to another is not a good option. I think a lot of people have their "normal" primary caregiver and then use another for the med recommendation. I am hoping to kill two birds with one stone in that regard.

My main question was perhaps not clearly stated. It is: is it better to establish a relationship and mention my problems first, come back later and suggest my cure to him OR just lay it all out on day one? Does it matter? I am under the impression that they would be less likely to cooperate in the 2nd case, as it seems you are just cruising for a script. I guess a good and reasonable doctor wouldn't care either way, but I am going for efficacy here.

thanks for all the thoughts-

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alleycat

chappie----Ok it sounds like you are trying to just hit up a normal primary care doctor, that you don't normally see also, and yes you are going to this guy for the script for marijuana, so I'd make that a priority on the list of questions I'd be asking him for me anyways.

I have a gastro doctor, and also a therapist that both know and agree with my marijuana use, my gastro doctor has signed my medical marijuana forms for 8 years now at my normal appointments so I've never had to ask my primary doctor, but they do know, just not lucky enough to be the ones signing my forms.

If you are going to your doctor on a normal basis, he knows your background, and if you should be allowed the license, then he would have it all right there.

But your situation sounds like you are going to this small town doctor, pretty much blind to knowing this guys thoughts on MJ, or even how he is for a doctor. I hope you are using insurance to pay for this appointment. IMHO

Still no idea what state you are talking about, but most the states I know of, and mine, has places that for $200 bucks, $180 if you pay in advance, and they have doctors knowing when you come in, that you are wanting your script signed, I'd suggest going that route instead of going back to this doctor, which sounds like it was hard just to get in to see him and get a report going back and forth with him, just to sign your script, which sounds like why you are going to him, so admit it to him what your thoughts are.

He can go the opposite way and think you were holding/hiding it from him, and then just money to your community you live in.

With anything, the more of a background whoever you are tallking to knows about you, the better, and going to a new doctor, he should be asking most of those questions the first visit, so be honest if you think it will help you and I'd say tell him.

If you want the pain meds, then go that route too, its up to you to make your own decisions and live with them, I wont be the one having to wait extra months, just for another appt which still might not get your form signed to be legal to grow in whatever state you are in.

Happy Growing

Alleycat

chappie

Thanks alleycat.

To be more clear, I am in Oregon. Its my first time going to this doctor, since I rarely need or want professional medical care. Yes it is through insurance. This visit is primarily just to strike up the relationship with him. So he doesn't know my history, and I don't have much of one on paper. Oregon laws want a "dibilitating condition" with some history of it. Most of the accepted conditions are very specific diseases, but there is also a wildcard for "pain" which is where I would fall in. So I will need to establish that history with him. This is where I am not sure about asking for the recommendation immediately.

I do not want conventional pain meds. If he prescribes them as a first step, I could:

1) say that in the past they have made me ill. I have however found that MJ works just fine, and is it possible to explore the medical program?

or 2) accept the script, fill it and put them in our emergency medical kit, tell him that they made me ill and return to step 1 (this is mildly dishonest but such is the system which won't let us have our own power)

Again, I have no intention of gaming the system, but it is horribly set up. It doesn't actually let us choose our own medicine for ourselves (if it did, there wouldn't even be a system). However, I do use MJ medicinally already, and am merely seeking the paperwork to make this legal, AND to add statistically to the number of happy patients. I am also keen on becoming involved in the local community, making cuttings and growing assistance available to others (legal with the card), and putting back more into the system than I am getting out. Thats all I want...

I see what you are saying about the special clinics, and that might be the better route. I suppose I could establish a relationship with this guy (as he really is going to be our "main" doctor) and then when I would go to a "special" clinic I would have the history documented. I might have just answered my own question here, with your help

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EZMark

OLA chappie

I gotz ta 2nd what AlleyCat said.

I have just gone through this. My primary care Dr. signed the application, It is just a bit unnerving opening up to someone (the Dr.) that
you are using and that you would like his approval for the state license.
Dr.s are required to keep your medical information confidential so asking a "small town Dr" should not be an issue. you being in a Med. state, the Dr. should be open to discuss it, and approve it for you. you just have to be upfront with him.
Is your condition one of the "approved" illness that MMJ is used to treat ? in my state only a limited number of conditions are accepted.
Man made pills, God made , which one do you trust?

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Yea, check with Normal. Also, find out from friends that may have it which doctor they used. Word of mouth spreads quickly

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You have it all right there, and really pretty much just the wording to get a good conversation going with a doctor, and enough of one that you should know if he's on the same game plan as you are looking for.

Happy Chatting with your Dr.

Alleycat