Triacontanol and cellular division.

*OzGrowa* · 07-03-2002, 03:40 AM

Ive been using alfalfa meal, it contains a hormone called triaconnatol in readily available amounts, its responsible for celllar division, its also present in Superthrive in quite high amounts also so it has a proven track record for speeding up the plants just a little. Anyone else had a play with this stuff?? Id like to hear your experiences and doseage rates, Ive been using 2 teaspoons per 20gallon pot., Im not ususally in this part of th system but I thought Id drop by and say hullo and pick some brains

Did a bit of reading on th stuff, its commonly known alchohols exibit effects on growth rates in plants, etc so It got me interested... Ive used it synthetically in my hrdro grows and its fantastic stuff, its in quite a few flowering bloom products here in the hydro stores also.

Oz

Lion of Judah · 07-08-2002, 08:59 AM

I use alfalfa meal in my teas a couple times a grow!! I use three heaping handfuls in a sock and put it in a 5 gallon bucket with a bubbler. I have noticed that it drops the PH a bit, I think the PH is around 5.3 for the alfalfa tea so I add a bit of lime and it seems to be fine. I have noticed a bit of a growth increase, but not the 30 to 60 percent i have been reading on certain sites. How does it work in your hydro set-up????

Keep it green, Judah

Xzoomd · 07-09-2002, 03:25 PM

I believe 500 ppm is recommended...or two heaping handfuls in a nylon and soaked in 5 gals of water for 48 hrs for tea. Putting meal in the soil is not recommended because of the chance of root burn..or so says IonicBigBud over at CW...who is the one claiming 30-60% increases. Also claims alfalfa tea has added benefits over SuperThrive. Also available in tablets from a health food store, again, 500 mg..but don't quote me..was sorta scanning. IBB started this thread in Mar., when I first read of it in a Hemp Report. I saved the CW thread and to my amazement, is still going..A Google search using Triacontanol will pop up some interesting reading.

Zoomy

ps I will go finish reading the CW thread..

Xzoomd · 07-09-2002, 05:34 PM

First...ooops on the 500 ppm...more like 112-115 ppm.

Ok...pH is 5.0, 500 mg per gal, alfalfa is Medicago Sativa, and is endorsed by Texas A&M to provide a 30% increase (in what I do not know), & works well with molassaes.
zoomy

3hounds · 07-10-2002, 05:08 AM

I also saw that thread at CW, and am incorporating alfalfa tea into my winter crops of Ak-47 and White Russian, just seedlings now. I will report back when I see results- I would be willing to run a control group without it if it were necessary, but I feel the proof is already in.

*OzGrowa* · 07-22-2002, 03:13 AM

BeesWax is also high in triaconnatol too my further reding has shown me, another cheap source and one Ive used bfore in my hydro grows, there is a product called Monsta Bud here in Oz thats an adative for flowering, its full of synthetic and natural triaconnatol as well as vitamins and other stuff.

I placed my teaspoon of alfalfa on the top of the pot and watered it in over a few weeks, semed to work reasonably wll but the synthetic had greater availability I suspect.

3hounds · 07-22-2002, 03:28 AM

I should caution everyone that alfalfa tea has a very distinct and strong odor, and must be kept covered when brewing, especially if you leave it outdoors.
I had a 5 gal bucket of natural alfalfa and water brewing- went out to use it, and found a fruit rat swimming in my bucket. He was obviously attracted by the smell of fresh alfalfa.
Yuck-o hello good morning!

I am now (and always) using alfalfa tablets (not capsules) from the health food store, one crushed 600 mg. tablet to a gallon of water.
It still smells and I will keep it covered, but I won't be using alfalfa in its natural state in my yard.
Nasty little buggers...

Kronic_Toker · 08-09-2002, 06:50 AM

Where I'm growing my plants outdoors, in our vegetavble garden, we've mixed quite a bit of horse manure into the soil (we're talking tonnes here). Anyways, all this **** came from the horses during the winter, when all they ate were oats, beet pulp, and.......you guessed it.....hay, which comprises of alfalfa. So, my question is, would there be triaconnatol present in the horse manure, or would them digesting the hay do something to it?

Kron

Sun Tzu · 09-20-2002, 03:01 AM

Kron,

Triacontanol was first discovered after a Texan (I think) farmer noticed that when he used cow dung on his fields from cows that had been grazing on Alfalfa his crops did much better. So it does survive the digestive process of cattle. Not sure if the same would necessarily apply to horses.

Alfalfa tea can be used in hydro as long as the solution is thoroughly filtered. This applies to people using the loose leaf or the tablets. Otherwise you can kiss goodbye to your pump in about a week.

Alfalfa contains about 4% Nitrogen, which is why it should only be used during Veg. If it was supplying the whole Nitrogen content of a feed mix, at lower concentrations than P & K, you should be able to use it throughout the cycle. During veg, keep upping the dosage until you start seeing adverse affects. Plants can usually take alot more than people think.

Seedlings can benefit from being dunked completely in tea. It also works very well as a foliar feed, again as long as it is filtered.

Dry weight increases for me are about 25-30%. I know people using hydro who reckon they get up to 50%. Official figures for one plant species, I think it was tobacco, reach 114%!

A plant is opening in India soon that will be processing sugar cane waste, another good supplier of Triacontanol, for use on crops. $4 a milligram, is what they plan to charge. Enough for about a 100 acres I believe. This stuff should be freely available to all agri- and horticulturalists

ommamedmar · 11-19-2002, 06:18 PM

I had no idea about alfalfa and it's inherent bloom boosting capabilities

I use llama manure, which is famous for being 99% digested when fresh, and is safe to add to even new seedlings without prior composting.

My outdoor girls all had generous amounts of llama manure, which was made up largely of their diet of alfalfa...

Very good results this year.

I was thinking of ditching the manure next year, but I think I'll keep it now

OMM

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