Tetrahydro Canibinol

My growing buddy suggested we put a little sugar in our water when we water our plants...he says that it can kill bacteria that might grow. What would using sugar water do?

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bgetting

Bacteria love sugar, your friend is retarded...

The purpose of putting sugar water in was to help the bacteria grow, as well as give the plants a little extra sugar too. If you are using chemical ferts, forget about it until you clear at the end. Otherwise you will get a build up of sugar in the soil since the chemical ferts are killing the bacteria. If you are growing organic, I would add 1/2 tsp/gal every watering, maybe even less. You can jack that up during clearing, but keep an eye on it.

highonline

Hey BG,

Instead of using granular sugar, could one use honey? I've got access to pure homemade honey and thaught it might work better since it's already disolved.

And.

Could this affect the taste of your final product in any significant way?

kinda curious. I've not used any sugar/honey/brown sugar/brewers sugar/icing sugar/ etc etc.. yet but might test it out for fun on a clone or 2.

I've been giving my girls a mix of " Earth Juice " made up of 2oz veg, 1/2 oz bloom, 1/2 oz catalyst, 5 drops of vitamin B1/root hormone, in 10 L of water. They seem to like it so far.

I'm growing in pro-mix type soil if it helps.

highonline.

bgetting

there are all kinds of yummy things in honey. Since you are growing organically this will feed the bacteria in the soil, as well as some of the constituents in the honey will be going into the plant. The bacteria will proliferate and help to breakdown the Earth Juice completely. If you have a homemade honey source, check and see if they are offering Royal Jelly. That has a lot of good things in it, but may not go into solution all that well. It should, but if you find it doesn't let me know.

when using sugar, only use natural sources, like honey, molasses, pure cane sugar, etc. Or reagent grade Dextrose. Other processed types aren't as good.

Tetrahydro Canibinol

but i thought that the roots can not absorb sugar...this was also stated by my retarted friend.

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OzGrowa

hello people,
You need an acid to 'lend' the sugar a protein before it can be used by the plants, raw sugar works best but bgettings idea of using Royal Jelly is beginning to hold some sway with me.

Acids are great protein donors as they say

latz,
OzGrowa

bgetting

Oz- I am in the dark about that acid-protein thing, but maybe this is it: In order to get anything across the membrane, it must either be accompanied by a protein, or cross through a protein channel. In the first idea, a proton gradient is used to provide the energy for grabbing the nutrient, where a proton is ejected to the outside of the root membrane, therfor raising pH. Not sure about the other thing....

As for plants taking up sugar... it has been shown that they can take up sucrose (which will dissassociate to fructose and glucose in water). Not with the efficiency that they can take up other inorganic nutes, but they can get it and use it. Also, the sugar will feed the bacteria in the solution around the roots, which will then eat up the fertilizer and break it into plant usable forms. Carbon Max may be another option there, as it lets huge hydrocarbons into the root for immediate cleavage.

bgetting

the proposed mechansm is from another book, I erased the reference, though I could probably get it back. The ide abehind it is sound, and something that is used quite often in Microbiology. He has just found a way to do it in plants. I have not myself seen any data from an experiment that is designed to show that these molecules are making it into the roots. But the implications that they are going in are there, such as lower water usage, lower fertilizer usage, and larger plants.
I am meeting him this weekend, and I know a lot of people don't buy the idea, but I really do. The molecules in question should have the ability to disrupt the membrane and cause large pores to open. As for how well they really do it, I think the only real evidence would be through trying it. I can tell you this... Doc has told me that he KNOWS people will like the results, and that anyone trying it that isn't convinced will be taken care of. I would be willing to bet that you could get your money back if you legitimately didn't like it.

OzGrowa

hello bgetting

Im sure going to miss that sexy talk of yours when you go buddy, you are a real asset to this community!

The first idea in relation to the proteins is how I understand it and your ideas on the sugar are also how I envision it, the efficiency of the sucrose permeability is another matter...the main point as I see it for adding the sugar IS to facillitate the bacteria and from it nutrient breakdown.

As for the Carbon MAX, well I have spoken to several chemist friends who say that is another quantum theory idea, there may be change and it may work but its at such a small level that any appreciable benefit is questionable...again though my chemistry knowledge needs work for me to opine that it doesnt work, at this stage Ill have to say Im real skeptical

Yo s2 : thats where my skepticism lies btw, exactly what you have suggested...we need some hard data on the whys and hows of this mechanism!

peace all,
OzGrowa

bgetting

Alright, so I should at lesat lay out the why's and how's that I can without going too into it...(one last shabang)

So I used to work on membrane fusion, in that how do membrane mix and become one, in tons of processes including organelle transport, golgi transport, viral iinfection, etc. The mystery in my project became a complex of molecules, some called snares, others called crazy sh*t that nobody cares about. Anyway, the snares would grab each other and bring the membrane very close together dur to conformation changes that would take place from the snares reacting to each other, phosphorylation, etc. Then there was a mystery as to what molecule got in there and disrupted the membrane. In other models the molecule is a transmembrane protein fragment, that can get through the membrane enough to start the spontaneous reformation of a fused membrane. (because of the hydrophillic and hydrophobic nature of the phosopholipids, membranes form) OK, that is the lesson for today.
Next thing is the poration of cellular membranes. They have all kinds of pores of different sizes, which can let in different molecules. Traditional methods for getting plasmids into bacteria are by electroporation, which is an applied electric "shock" that makes the pores open up real wide, allowing a plasmid (DNA cassette) through. A common plasmid size is 2 microns, which if you think about how big a molecule that is... it is huge. Another method is using polytethylene glycol, which in yeast and other things will also cause membrane disruption that will alllow a 2 µm plasmid through. So there is truth the the idea of opening up the pores of a membrane to allow for macromolecules to get through. For those not aware of the scale of things.... proteins are friggin' HUGE molecules.
So here is what I am thinking about Carbon Max:
He is keeping the molecular formula tight against his heart, for good reason. Though I do know that there are phosholipids (the same class of molecules that membranes are made of) that are form 40-80 Carbons long. These are large, but not as large as DNA or other things. There are a few theoretic ways that these could open pores, including somehow disrupting the membrane with the hydrophyllic heads, or by causing a change in the membrane potential (Voltage difference from one side of the membrane to the other) which is similar to electroporation. I can probably dig up a few more, but I doubt any lab is going to research this stuff biochemically to find out exactly how it works.
The point being that if those pores are widened, then larger molecules will be able to get in. That has been shown and exploited already. I have not even played with the stuff, but I hope to be getting a sample soon here. Also looking forward to hearing about results from those on this board trying it out.

Oz- some of the other ingredients are:
Glucose
Xylose
Thiamine
Castille Soap
Royal Jelly
among others, and a few that he is keeping anonymous.