phrogg

OK
I've just begun to actually get turned around to doing this crap right.
I'm adopting a new soil mix... my supplies are as follows...

-Pro-Mix "growing medium" (not very many nutes), says it's essential to fert 1 week after planting in it
-Dried Blood 12-0-0
-Jug of unknown concentration fish emulsion
-Rock Phosphate 0-4-0
-Liquid Bonemea 0-12-0
-Kelp Meal 1-0-2
-Kelp extract (Maxicrop) 0.1-0-1
-Nettles, leaves and stalks
-B'Cuzz bloom
-Superswell (guano) 0-7-0
-Earthworm castings 1-0-0

The last two items i just bought today and have not used before. The superswell says to put 1 T in 1 gal of water and give with normal watering. I think that guano tea's are immediatley available to the plants and that's essentially what this is.?

I am also unsure about how much earthworm casting to add into the Pro-Mix since it is already wonderful stuff.

I suppose about aug 4th i got most of this stuff and started to plant clones in it...
I used 2 T dried blood, 2 T rock phosphate, 4 T Kelp meal / gal pro-mix
AND
1 T dried blood, 1 T rock phosphate, 2 T Kelp meal / gal pro-mix

I did not let this sit any amount of time
a couple from the first batch showed small signs of nute burn
everything else looks great

what else should i do with my mix?

i made some tea 2 T blood, 4 T kelp let it sit for about a week and stirred it throughout, figure it's prolly kinda strong

Here's the part I could use someone specific advise on, I have a BLUEBERRY mother, she's in crappy soil, she's already revegged after being mutilated (I'm glad i didn't have to see that). She has small, inch or two tall, bundles of little smooth edged leaves all over, maybe 5 or 6. She's in about a 4 gal pot. I'm going to put her in a big tub of supermondo dirt, hopefully tonight.
WHAT SHOULD I GIVE HER???
She's so wonderful and i want to give her the best of the best of all the best.
I have another one right next to her that's nor re-vegged yet, just hope right?

I want to get some afalfa meal but can't find it and don't have $.
one last thing, is b'cuzz completley organic?, i'm guessing no

so, can i grow some happy birthday nugs with this stuff?

completley forgot, nettles hurt, do you have to use the mature ones with poison dripping from their spines?

phrogg

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organic

Relax, take a deep breath, and try not to overfert. With the list of high potency ferts you have listed, you are going to have a hard time keeping from burning them. Of the soil mixes you list, the first one is overdoing the N, 1T/gal is more than enough. And especially go light on the ferts with the BB mother, you have to be gentle given the circumstances. Start out with light amounts of fert and build your way up.

good luck

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phrogg

Organic, thanks a bundle for your words.

I have already x-planted my blueberry mother into a nice big ~15gal container, from about a 4 gallon container.
I've been trying to stay around Organics recommended 1T of each per gal of soil.

Blueberry mother got...
to 10 gallons of soil...
10T blood
11T rock phosphate
14T Kelp meal
1/2T 'superswell' (guano 0-7-0)
~1 1/2 gal earthworm castings
~1 1/2 cups nettle leaves torn up (not oozing poison)


I have heard from Bindie, and Organic (i think), that higher K is helpful, so i have been adding more than 1T/gal of Kelp meal, kelp is awesome anyways right?

I've been trying to make complete mixes, that can be kept throughout a plants life with hardly any nutes if any, but all I'm basing this on is the recommended 1T/gal and adding a little more.

Blueberry mother seems slightly shocked from the x-plant, but is now spitting out leaves with no signs of burn, and with serated edges yippeeeeeeeeee.

I have another BB mother that has just begun to reveg,
Organic, if you're reading this, what would you put her in???
teas take long, is really why i'm trying to use so much dry fert, but if it's the proper way, to the teas i go.

thankyouthankyou
phrogg

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organic

Properly composed soil with the nutes mixed in from the beginning are preferable to teas IMO. Teas are for giving a little boost, or to correct a deficiency. Remember that my opinion is not authority however.

Your mix sounds pretty good although I caution you again about "I'm basing this on is the recommended 1T/gal and adding a little more". From your recipe it sounds like you have a pretty good idea of it, but you have to be careful about what you add more of - N in particular, and high solubility P like guano as well. Generally the higher the numbers in the NPK the more careful you need to be with it. It is OK to add extra kelp though, just don't go way overboard.

The nettles I think work best as a tea, there should be instructions at the bottom of the organic NPK chart link in my sig.

Sounds like you are on the right track, the only suggestion for your other reveg is to drop the N down a little, it's gentler that way.

O

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i'll go for the lower N with the other BB mother and i'll lower the P and N on a nother i have that is not BB
partaking of my first fruits now
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PARENTonBUD

im about 1 month into flowering and everything looks good so far .BUT! im afraid the soil mix ive gathered may run out of nutes pretty soon and i was wondering if it would be a good idea to give it some kind of tea or something to get it through to harvest.my soil is made up of the following:

50%preferted soil mix (will not use preferted next grow)
50% perlite
1TBS powdered bone meal per gallon
1TBS potash per gallon
small amount of wormcastings

ive also been giving it 1TPS cacl per gallon of water and
1/4 teaspoon epson salt per gallon of water
when watering.everyother watering.I just recently gave it a good flushing to clean the soil a bit.All your advice will be much welcomed.




THANKS AND HAPPY HARVEST!

phrogg

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i didn't want to start a new thread for this and Organic, I'm surely not trying to.. can't find the wording, no offense...
but, i would tend to think that a general rule of 1 T of dry nute per gallon of soil is substantially too much..
granted in my situation my blood was 12 and rock was 4 and kelp was 2, and i may not have compensated for the high N completley with the ratio..
but really, about 1 T of nute per gallon of soil burnt the hell out of my plants and as a result i have opted for teas only so i have more contol of the nutes after soil is already mixed and full of roots.. i really didn't see the massive overfertilization untill flowering when it was VERY obvious, it doesn't seem like anyone else has had this problem but the question that some have about not being able to burn with organics is solved.
as a note...
kelp tea is either, utilized by plant much more quickly than blood, or much more dissolves into tea than blood, anyone else agree, one or othe other???
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Interesting...well, as you say this is an example of the myth of not being able to burn with organics. Still, 1 T/gallon seems to work pretty well for most people - you might be growing an especially nute-sensitive strain, or there might be other factors involved. One question I might have is, did you count amendments such as perlite as part of the soil when you made your calculations?

Also the ratio of the nutes you put in might have something to do with it, as you wondered. There have been a few testimonials from people around here who have been preaching the gospel of nute ratios being all-important.

Personally I'm a proponent of always using a little bit less than the "1 T rule". It's easy to amend with teas later, and it's not easy to remedy an overferted soil. I especially find this to be the case with high N sources, like blood meal.

As far as the kelp tea/blood meal tea question, they have different properties and are difficult to compare 1/1. The main difference is that blood meal is primarily a straight N source, while kelp contains hormones along with its nutrients, which could account for the difference you have noticed.

Sorry to hear about your plants

O

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that's ok O.. thanks for your words
live and learn, experience, experience, that's the way the cookies crumble, yadayada
Organic, i would like to thank you for all of your help as i probably will not be around for a while but will still remember your words
My 'current' project is over, but i am looking foreward to moving my beloved herb much closer to her mother in the near future.
Maybe i'll even have my career started by the next time i talk to you organic, the only problem is, i don't know any organic farmers to learn from!

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organic

Well, you have been learning from one

If you can't find anyone, I highly recommend looking in used bookstores for older copies of books put out by Rodale Press (the newer ones are OK, but they are starting to pay too much attention to looking flashy and don't contain as much information). The best one I have is a book called "How to grow vegetables & fruits by the Organic Method", printed in 1961.

Good luck!

O

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