Lizzie Borden

The usual dose is one tablespoon per gallon. Be careful with guano as it's pretty strong for an organic.

dreambrother420

Plutonian, be careful with the fox farms. A lot of growers I know swear by that stuff, and if gives them beautiful, dank, crystaly buds, at one cost. It all tastes like it was in fact, grown in an ocean forest. I have been around fox farms buds so much in fact, that if you laid out 100 different buds in front of me, and I could only smell them all, I could prolly tell you wich ones came from fox farms soil. A good way to combat against this yucky taste, bat guano works wonders.

PotsimusMaximus

MG is pretty concentrated, its fairly easy to burn indoor plants with it. outdoor you get some help from rain and dew to help dilute it. plus you have a bunch of stuff living in an outdoor garden.

feel free to hate MG, for whatever reason

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dreambrother420

So, when the plant is waiting for the organic nutes to be converted into usable non organic mater what is it supposed to eat? And are these non organic products, (you know the bi-products of micro organisms eating the organic matter and pooping it out into usable stuff), are those the same chemical products that are in non organic ferts such as miracle grow? So in a way arn't we making our soil, and our plants and our entire system work harder with organic nutes, seeing as how plants cant absorb organic matter. And what does foiler spraying with organic sprays do? Do leaves absorb organic matter?

PARENTonBUD

im not the one who can answer all those questions for you but i do know that by experience that ive found it easier and much more controlable to use organic additives in my soil to grow very fruitty and fat buds .ive yet to have to adjust the ph of my grow in an entire grow of about 3 months.in order to give the plant all the nutes it would have naturally ,it seems to me you have to use some sort of organic matter.NATURALLY!

sativasoo

But really why not use organic products and care about the earth instead of buying into big cooperate America poisoning our eco system isnt cool. poop rules

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dreambrother420

sativasoo, how am I buying into cooperate america when I give my money to shultz and not bandini or earth juice? Do organic nute factories always run cleaner than chemical nute factories. Seems like someone should do some reasearch so hippies and tree huggers can have some peace of mind. I belive that we have all bought into cooperate america at sometime or another, maybe even you, I wonder how clean run off water is from computer factories?

Syntaks

I disagree with the mg haters. Its always 100% of the time worked great for me. Personally I believe if you are not getting results, you are not using it correctly. That is the only legit explanation that I can formulate. It wouldn't be so popular if it just killed your plant.

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Christopher

Ok, lol. I trust MG now, but I'm still lost on what to do...im flowering them now i just started the 12/12 cycle...should I just water them with the mg next time i water? or do I need to flush them out with water then use the MG, and should I use what they tell me to or 2/3 what they say to use...does MG pass for 'fertilizer' ? Arent I supposed to be using that right now? thx..

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Lizzie Borden

I should probably continue avoiding this thread, but I figured I’d share my thoughts since opinions from people who have used both MG and organics were wanted.


Organic growing requires more planning than chemical. Some organic nutes are available more quickly than others, and these are usually used during veg. By the time the slower nutes are needed during flowering, they should have had plenty of time to break down and be ready for the plant.

Plant roots do much more than absorb nutrients. You cannot discount the other interactions between the plant and medium, many of which are not completely understood, but which are inhibited by chemical ferts.

I think of it as a system with more things going on. Maybe a system that “works harder” is healthier, like people who exercise?
I can’t explain this chemically, but I know that my plants definitely benefit from having kelp extract sprayed on them. Maybe some of the organic nutes have already broken down before the bottle is even opened?

I grew my first crop with chemical ferts, including MG. I flushed well before harvest and was very satisfied with the weed. It was better than what I used to buy. So I can completely understand how people who use MG can be happy with it. My next crop I went organic. There was absolutely no comparison between the quality of the two crops. The organic weed tasted so good I wanted to eat it. Everyone who smoked it said it was the best they ever had. Surely part of the increase in quality was due to my greater experience as a grower, but I feel the organics had a lot to do with it too.

I don’t believe in karma and while I try to do my part to benefit the environment, I think it’s pretty much a lost cause because people won’t stop having babies. I'm just interested in providing myself with the highest quality, tastiest weed. I can see why someone may want to use raw salts and/or hydro to get a faster growth rate, and more weed per $ spent on fertilizer, or chemical ferts with soil to make growing easy, but for best flavor, organic is the way to go. In my ever so humble opinion only, of course.

Chemicals are a good way for people to learn the basics of growing without making things too complicated. Even if someone wants to grow weed for 50 years using nothing but MG, I have no problem with it. I'd just rather smoke my weed. I still have the ferts I used on my first crop – 30-10-10, 20-20-20, 15-30-15 and 10-60-10. I need someone to come over and pick all this crap up. Another problem with MG is that, at least when I used it, none of the formulas had enough K.