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Interesting thread... I haven't used Advanced yet but my two cents: every nutrient 'lineup' will require a certain amount of supplements but never anything like what the manufacturer schedules. E.g. Botanicare PBP, which doesn't have enough C/M for my low-PPM water supply, so I need to add about 60% of their rec'd dose of CalMag. I use Liquid Karma, Hygrozyme, and through flowering GH's Floralicious+ to round things out. Karma for the yield (and because everyone loves it, ha) hygro for clean roots and FL+ for flavor. I wasn't satisfied with the base PBP flavor, so I'm giving the FL a try this grow...

Nothing else enters the room unless I need to fix a problem, so things don't cost too much. Assuming $20/quart for most of the Botanicare stuff and $20/ea. for the hygro and FL+ it's like maybe $100 or so a grow? Of course, I'm not watering a field here, but.

Switching to compatible AN stuff would be like going to their Iguana Juice, as I understand it. Which is supposedly a more stable product - less pH swing, not lacking in C/M, etc etc. It's maybe twice as expensive at $40 a bottle but you get about 1.5 times as much... and maybe you don't need nearly as much C/M. Advanced sells all of the expensive snake oil stuff but a catalyst should be all you need for good organic nutrients...

I dunno, you can go ballistic and clean out your grow store but you really don't need to - I don't use much of the extra Botanicare stuff they market, and I'm psyched with the results I get on PBP excepting flavor. I don't think I've seen anyone on these forums use the entire lineup at once, often quite the opposite.

Much more important is understanding what each product will do for you / your setup and thus how to get away with the absolute minimum for prolific harvests. Efficiency.

Also, all you guys burning yourselves with pH concentrate freak me out. Dilute that stuff, 1/10, add it by the 10/ml a gallon rate and watch what happens... It won't burn you or your nutrients.

Allglad

I like AN products.

Like most any other maunufacturer some stuff seems a bit um...unnessary.

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Bobby_604

I love it. You can pick light, medium and heavy feeding schedules. Tells you what PPM and PH to adjust too.

Mazrim

I currently use AN products. I use snesi 2 part for veg and conny for flower. I start flower using bud blood and use big bud as a supplement. I was using carboload powder until it hardened up on me.

The nutes work great. I spent a lot of money on all of those nutes though. Next time I nute shop I will be getting the foxfarms line up complete with the add-ins. And spend a fraction of the money.

We'll see how it goes.

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ponics4me

Exactly! The only guys I ever had try to convince me to buy everything on the shelf was a hydro store guy. Advanced just recommends stuff that makes sense... base nute, a booster, some additives, nothing crazy.

They always gave me the impression they wanted me to grow well first, buy their stuff second. Makes sense really, if I grow some killer bud with their stuff I'm more likely to come back and buy some more, right? They wouldn't want me to think I got ripped off.

Bingo. I'd hate to work for someone that didn't care about making money. I need my paycheck to come on time and in full or my rent doesn't get paid and I don't eat. Maybe some people have lives that don't run on money, but mine does. Electricity and Internet ain't free.

I've noticed that too.

It's like hating AN is what all the "cool kids" do. I wonder how much of that is because of any real opinion and how much is just to fit in.

Yeah, I see what you mean. There's just tons of stuff on that site and it can be tough to find anything you really want. I actually thought about trying to organize it for them and send them the new version once (I do that kind of thing at work). Ended up reading it enough that it didn't confuse me anymore, though.

I know the feeling.

They advertise a lot of stuff, that's different. Ford advertises every car they make, but they don't actually expect you buy them all and no one thinks they expect that either. Advanced Nutrients seems the same to me. There's a lot of stuff, sure, but you don't need it all and they're not saying you do either.

The way I see it they just make a complete tool kit. Depending on what you're doing you may or may not (probably not) need the whole kit. Buy the tools you need, skip the ones you don't. But just cause you don't need certain ones doesn't mean no one else does and it makes sense to cast the widest net you can in business.

burndt

Yep, yep, yep...good ol' FF nutes. Gotta love em Great website too

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I bet half the AN shit talkers out there are the "Honda" generation. They are born and bred haters! {punk ass kids}


thats a good analogy. Every company advertises there most fully loaded balls out bad ass product to get you in the store...then once you are in the door you are "talked" into whatever you can actually afford.

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yes, but if you really know your plants, you don't need a schedule

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DING DING DING DING... We have a winner. I'd never go online to see what I should feed my plants. Thats just retarded. Go into the grow room and look at the plant. Not a dumb website.

dave.b

thanx for explaining yes, the maximum should be about 34%.... pretty cool stuff
anyway my rez is still not stinking so I think I should better buy some good nuts

Very interesting if you have used BIgBud and Carboload you should really see the difference, more you said conny - I think you mean their connisseur for flower? I never used it, that's really really really overpriced



yes you could be right! that's because I'm asking for thoughts of you people that have tried AN products at least once