un_Love

why use ferts at all? i'm not retarded or anything, but it makes sense to recreate a natural, albeit accelerated environment inside the closet over there. lotsa light (like the sun), a fan (like the wind), water the plant (like the rain), and fertilize (like....hmmmm.....like what?) right??

anyone grow MJ without ferts at all? and how much impact does the environmental aspect of your space have relative to the "fertilizing" of these plants? a ratio maybe?

for intimates about how i'm growing:
http://www.hempcultivation.com/420/s...ad.php?t=86038 post #3

alright, i done gone and done it.

mods: if this isn't good enough reason to start a new thread, a heads up would be cool.

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dumY

We have to use nutrients when growing indoors with artificial dirt.
The earth is made up mostly of Nitrogen.. which plants need to grow.
Other nutrients that plants need to grow, are also found in the earth.

I am not sure what the "NPK" ratio of mother earth is, as it varies from city to city, coast to coast, country to country and climate to climate..

It is a necessity for plants to grow though.

Mother Earth takes care of watering, and supplying nutrients, just not in high enough doses to burn the plants, but they are definitely present in nature.

Searching the internet for information on the chemical makeup of the earth and how outdoor plants survive would probly be in order here, if you don't want to do that are are still wondering about this in a few days I'd be glad to use some of my free time to come up with some answers!

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un_Love

well, having had a fast run at googling soil chemistry while watching Scarface (a mooooost interesting experience) i still have a query for all you vets and class-goer-toers. understanding as i do that the earth is made of minerals, what keeps them replenished in soil that doesn't get sh*t on by woodland creatures nor p*ssed on by me when i'm high? acid rain, harsh and changing climates, this plant flourishes from BC to Ecuador. i mean, it grows like a weed. i'm wondering if it's done, that's all.

notwithstanding record-breaking buds, do any of you grow this plant without using fertilizers? that's all i wanna know. puuure cuuuriosity folks, that's all.

off the cuff question, wonderin if there's a scientist in the house. lol PEACE

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Fillabong

dust, rain, wind, snow, hail. They all bring in different minerals everytime. Everywhere does not have the same biomass but they all do have decaying organisms. This is food.

Trophic food pyramid. It exists in every ecosystem. As do the carbon, nitrogen, hydrologicand phosphorus cycles. All we do is simulate that stuff indoors.

aaand... we grow in thimbles compared to nature. Growing in the wild the root system is much more developed and can find water and nutrients in distant spots.

Nismoskyline

By fertilizer im assuming you were talking about chemical fertilizer at first? Chemical fertilizer is synthetically created nutrients, and essential elements. If you go to the grow guide/organic nutrient chart(Click Here) You will see what can add nutrients to your soil, other than chemical fertilzer, that is found around the world.

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alright. so this cycle of nutrients, differing in every biomass in all its complexity, is being replaced by a regimen of regular baths in the essential materials? makes as much sense as walking around carrying an IV bag from the perspective of a non-gardener. my growing experience is the character of "he-that-grows", and exploration of where i'm at and going at this point leans heavily on questioning and bias toward a "less is more" attitude. i'm getting what you're telling me, and i appreciate it, believe me. wouldn't have gotten this far without ya. but as the upstart i've always been, F*CKIN TELL ME WHY IT'S GOTTA BE THIS WAY!!!! punk's not dead. check out my GJ for reasons i'm even pursuing this train of thought.

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Fillabong

I have no idea why you're speaking.
That made no sense to me at all.

un_Love

maybe less is more? that's all i'm trying to get across. from the position of a non-gardener who is learning, i've always understood that houseplants grow with light and water. the complexity of perfectly fertilizing the plants is daunting, and i wonder how much real difference it makes to under-feed. sorry for being hard to read. not trying to make useless arguments, nor question anyone's expertise.

i think my question's answered, though. no one grows without ferts. ok.

didn't mean to make waves. peace.

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yeah man i was thinking about not ferting when i first started. Till i did a bunch of reading and realized that mj may seem to grow easily naturally but as fill mentioned its root system is probably 2-4 times more developed in any given situation outdoors. When the roots have a 5 gallon bucket worth of space to search for nutrients there isnt much to go with. Mj has a pretty high requirement for nutrients especially opposed to most house plants. That said you may able to grow a house plant with water and sunlight and use the same soil for 9 months....well thats because "houseplants" are generally plants that grow very easily and are taken from temperate zones. Despite mj growing in the northern hemisphere (meaning more near canada and up the westcoast) it doesnt mean thats its "ideal conditions". Its also strain dependant and indicas would be much easier to grow outdoors in the north. Near the equator its obviously constantly much warmer more humid and more wildlife= lots of rotting things constant regeneration and the climate breaks things down at a much faster rate. So you have these massive sativas that can grow down there because the soil will constantly have an abundance of nutrients. Anyway i tried to grow without nutrients (because i didnt want to buy) and within 3 weeks my plants started to eat themselves due to lack of nitrogen. If you really want to try to "simulate nature" (way freaking impossible) then go get some worms and a bat let the worms eat and crap then take their crap and mix it in your soil (without messing up the root system) then take the bat...feed it bugs...let it crap then take its guano and mix it in the soil as well...(make sure its fairly fresh or it wont work) then water it......Oh and make sure you have 4 1000 watt hps lights aimed at different angles of your plants and make sure you have about 5 100 watt flouros for the start of your grow.....so as to "simulate the blue/white spectrum like spring!".........have an intake fan running from a c02 system and an exhaust fan out of the room and a fan lightly blowing on the plants. DO ALL OF THAT AND YOUVE COME WITHIN 5 PERCENT OF SIMULATING NATURE CONGRATS!!!!

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un_Love

niiiice. bust the n00b's ballz. i deserve it sometimes. OK...

went out and got blood meal 12-0-0 and super bloom 0-10-10 today. also some Oxygen Plus 1-2-1 which contains urea, urea hydrogen peroxide, ammonium phosphate, phosphoric acid, and potassium hydroxide. being as my plant is 3 weeks old today and 9" tall, with a curling under problem but no yellowing....what would be a good regimen for feeding with these ferts? i just watered well about 3 days ago, she's not dry yet. any help would be much appreciated. AGAIN, thanks for busting my nuts a little bit. i'm cocky for sure, but definitely not a gardener yet.

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