Dr. Funkenstein

Hydro Growers:
1. Are you growing from seed or clones?
-Clones
2. How old are your plants?
-Had them for 3 weeks
3. How tall are your plants?
- 8-12"
4. What type of hydro system are you using?
- Hydroton in "Hempy" style drainage pots, currently 16oz tumblers & 2.5 quart buckets
5. What brand/type of nutrients are you using?
-AN 3 part, GROW,MICRO,BLOOM - JUST ADDED BLOOM BY AN and FLORA SHIELD BY GH
6. What is the Ph of your nutrient solution?
- 5.56
7. What is the PPM/EC of your tap water?
-NO CLUE, was using store bought RO water.
8. What is the PPM/EC of your nutrient solution?
-NO CLUE/ Still unsure how to check ppm
9. What is the temperature of your nutrient solution?
-NO CLUE
10. Does your PPM/EC show a rise or fall when you do your daily PPM check?
-NO CLUE
11. Does your pH show a rise or fall when you do your daily check?
- How do I daily check when they are in pots filled with hydroton?
12. Do you foliar feed or spray your plants with anything?
-YES, A capful of Grow and a capful of Micro in a liter of RO store water. 3-4 times a day. I did just add a part of Flora Shield and AN's Bloom in my foilar spray solution, and that seemed to stain my girls with a white residue and this combined with the addition of it to my feeding solution has been the cause of this.
13. What kind of lights do you use and how many watts combined? (HPS, MH, fluorescent, halogen, incandescent "plant lights" )
-Currently under 2ft four-bulb HOT5
14. How close are your lights to the plants?
-6" or less. But have been raising it to give them a break.
15. What size is your grow space in square feet?
- 24
16. What is the temperature and humidity in your grow space?
-75-78 & -45-48%


I need help. A few days ago, friday to be exact, I measured out my first batch of properly pH'd nute solution, did everything the same way I have been before calibrating my pen, and decided to add some Flora Shield by GH, which is a "plant and system rinse" I did use AN's Bloom to see if it would help with any of the discoloration I had with the plant leaves, but I do not think this was the culprit.

Directions say GH's Flora Shield can be used in reservoirs, weekly treatments, or foilar applications. Ever since doing this, I've had to desperately tend to sickly plants, which were not in the best shape before this, as I've been swinging them around with their feeding schedule observing the effects. I manage to get ahold on things, but there are two that just won't snap out of it.

I've used it in the plants solution and was foilar feeding them. Which caused them to droop pretty bad, and leave white residue stains on their leaves, and looking like they were starved which didn't make sense. I was sure it was the FS by GH, so I rushed to flush them out with tap water. I noticed the run off from the containers stained the reflective tape on the bottom of the cups. Which did not happen before.

What can I do? I need to rescue them ASAP! What is really confusing me is one of them was totally fine yesterday, I misted it with only water fearing if I used anything else I would ruin a healthy one. A few hours later and it was looking wilted and droopy and I never used any of the solution from friday on this one. Unless it had a hearty immune system and didn't look the same as the rest after going through that.


What can I do?

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Pesci

Hmm, ok. First discontinue the foliar feeding.

Have the clones rooted yet? If they have then back off with the nutes. Keep them in a lightly diluted mix
If the clones have not rooted, let off all nutes and just water them, keeping their roots moist till you see the roots come out.

Sounds like as you said they were having issues and the excess feeding may have swung them over the edge.

Also, back that light up. Give it about a foot or more. Don't want to press those clones too hard and dry them out too quickly

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Dr. Funkenstein

Ok, I will stop foilar feeding for a while. All the plants have rooted. I've transplanted some into larger pots and they have good root systems, and just now changed out the pots they were in with fresh clean pots and hydroton. They all have good roots hanging out of the bottom of the rapid rooters. I noticed when transplanting the FLO into a fresh container the roots seemed a lil on the beige side. All the others had bright healthy roots. I'm wondering if they weren't getting enough water, yet the root system is pretty large.

OFF TOPIC: Could this be because it's a sativa? One of my Chem D's looks to be leaning more on the sativa side aswell, and is about the same size as the FLO. The Chem D had a rootball the size of a tennisball

The 3-4 times a day foilar feeding was working fine up until I added that Flora Shield.

I hate myself right now. I had a perfectly healthy plant, and a single light misting with water looks to be bringing it down for good.

Say a prayer..

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Allglad

I dont have any hempy buckets go'n yet and dont have any exp. with them, so I would need to see a picture in order to help suggest how to check PH with hydrotron filled buckets.

I am still trying to understand why a person would want to use Flora Shield with flora feeding. I guess some nutes stick to leaves & FS would clean it off? I donnno.

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Somebody on another forum had some trouble with Flora Shield so he wrote the manufacturer and got this response:

I have had problems with a plant before after introducing a similar product. I wish you the best of luck!

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Dr. Funkenstein

I fucking knew it! Thanks for the extremely helpful advice. I was begining to think it was just my mistake. I knew it had to do with the introduction of this stuff.

I'm heading to the shop today to pick up some Sensizyme by AN or Hygrozyme. Will this replace the beneficial bacterias I killed with the FS and turn things around? My FLO is now wilted and looking like she is on her last legs. I'm heartbroken.

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ZoomBoom

After a flush you shouldn't add too much more of anything. Hempys can get wet feet quick, not sure if you are using conventional hempy methods, perhaps you could expand on that?

I think trying to replace the bacteria you lost with a product that is supposed to work in harmony with the pre-existing colonies will lead to more problems.

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Dr. Funkenstein

I'm using hydroton in hempy style drainage cups, with the holes on the side, so many inches from the bottom. So far things have been good, with the exception of this. I need to do something. My FLO is begining to get beige roots, and this morning I noticed she is drooping. I have 2 Black Dominas that are wilted with their tops bent over.

I can't sit by and watch them die. I need to do something.

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ZoomBoom

I didn't realize your plants were so small.

...can you take cuttings from them? Just top it really big and root it? That will set you back some time, but you might be able to save them that way.

If you look at my current grow journal, notice the dying romulan. It looks bad there, and I took cuttings off it 2 days after that. I couldnt run romulan this round, but the genetics were spared. Now they are revegging nicely...

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Dr. Funkenstein

I may be able to with the FLO. It still seems somewhat together. The 2 BD's look extremely wilted, so I don't know how that will work out. I've never tried cloning before, so it's a little intimidating. But it sounds a lot better than letting them go to waste.

What page is the pic of your sick plant on in your journal? I want to see if I'm in a similar position to try my luck at cloning.


Thanks for your help. I really appreciate it.

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