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Old 08-30-2009, 05:35 PM   #1
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So I thought about posting these two pics of an OG Kush (unkown cut), and doin' the 'ol "What's wrong with my plant", just to see the responses I would get. But I already know what is wrong with it and I didn't want to set anybody up.

Although I am sure plenty of people would diagnose the symptoms displayed in the form of macro and micro nutrient issues accurately, I don't know that the remedies I would get would be overall good ideas.

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I have stopped counting, but I am guessing this plant to be 2.5-3 months old. I recv'd it at 2-3 weeks old, looking pretty good in rockwool after started in e&f. The problem was the transport. In the bottom of a cardboard box with grit in it. Bye bye roots that were feeding the plant.

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So, what looks like a plant suffering from simple nute problems really has an issue of feeding due to transport and environmental shock and actual damage.

On top of that, this plant needed to be put in soil for the gene bank. Another stress. It adds up to a plant that immediately began consuming itself, growing, and absolutely refusing to throw roots. The resulting goofy looking plant that I have been keeping alive, thankfully, for about 3 months. Fingers are still crossed, but I think at this point that it has actually thrown roots in the last few days, from the changes in growth, color and vigor. Finally. Throwing roots ( I sure f'ing hope ) at 3 Months. Sheesh.

The overall point of this thread is for any of you others out there that have pics of plants that have root issues manifesting as other symptoms to post them and increase the online MJ knowledge base.

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So I thought about posting these two pics of an OG Kush (unkown cut), and doin' the 'ol "What's wrong with my plant", just to see the responses I would get. But I already know what is wrong with it and I didn't want to set anybody up.

Although I am sure plenty of people would diagnose the symptoms displayed in the form of macro and micro nutrient issues accurately, I don't know that the remedies I would get would be overall good ideas.

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I have stopped counting, but I am guessing this plant to be 2.5-3 months old. I recv'd it at 2-3 weeks old, looking pretty good in rockwool after started in e&f. The problem was the transport. In the bottom of a cardboard box with grit in it. Bye bye roots that were feeding the plant.

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So, what looks like a plant suffering from simple nute problems really has an issue of feeding due to transport and environmental shock and actual damage.

On top of that, this plant needed to be put in soil for the gene bank. Another stress. It adds up to a plant that immediately began consuming itself, growing, and absolutely refusing to throw roots. The resulting goofy looking plant that I have been keeping alive, thankfully, for about 3 months. Fingers are still crossed, but I think at this point that it has actually thrown roots in the last few days, from the changes in growth, color and vigor. Finally. Throwing roots ( I sure f'ing hope ) at 3 Months. Sheesh.

The overall point of this thread is for any of you others out there that have pics of plants that have root issues manifesting as other symptoms to post them and increase the online MJ knowledge base.
Same exact thing happened to one of my plants. Although I've read elsewhere this particular strain has given the gardener a problem as well, I think this is ultimately the prime suspect. Thanks
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Boy those look like lookout going on to me there, and seeing the size of container they are in seems quite small, also stretched and lost all it's fan leaves which would be progressing signs of lockout some times.

Not really sure what you are trying to say either for the thread, you think this is root problems cat?? If you mean lockout with the roots, then I agree with you.

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Although I've read elsewhere this particular strain has given the gardener a problem as well, I think this is ultimately the prime suspect.
It is not the prime suspect. It is the guilty offender. Tried, convicted and hanged.

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Not really sure what you are trying to say either for the thread, you think this is root problems cat?? If you mean lockout with the roots, then I agree with you.
I know it is a root problem, rather a lack thereof. How big a pot do ya reckon I need for plant whose roots don't extend beyond that little 2" sq. rockwool cube?

We are going to have to agree to disagree than alley, 'cause it a ain't a lock out problem. Like I said, I know what the problem. It is a plant that has no roots outside of that rockwool cube for at least 2 months.

Quite frankly, I am quite proud of myself for keeping it alive in this state for so long.

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I thought 'The overall point of this thread is for any of you others out there that have pics of plants that have root issues manifesting as other symptoms to post them and increase the online MJ knowledge base. was pretty clear.

The other symptoms is the lockout you refer to which would lead me chasing my tail and killing my plant were I to remedy that misdiagnosis. Not a lockout problem. A no root / shocked root / damaged root problem.

Just looking to get some pics up of plants with root damage, more specifically ones that appear to have other things, like lockout.

Just tryin' to help the cause alley, getting as much info out there as possible.
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If you already know whats wrong with the plant why post?

A plant should have at least 1 gallon of soil per foot of vertical height as a general rule of thumb.

Why don't you pull the plant out of the pot and take some pics of the roots? That would be best for educational purposes, if that indeed is what you are trying to accomplish here.

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Sorry bro, if that plant never grew roots outside of the rockwool cube, its root issues were user inflicted.
Appears badly overwatered and the leaching of the lower leaves is from lack of uptake through the roots.
Need to allow a dry cycle...

IF its not that, then you need to change your soil mix because it is holding water to long and compacting around the root zone.
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The roots were damaged in transport. I said that in my first post. I did not transport them. The few roots that were outside the cube that did survive transport were very badly damaged and died back within several days.

That is the problem with this particular plant. I have managed to keep this plant alive, long enough finally encouraging roots to regrow, bro.
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Like I said, just looking for more pics of plants with a known issue(s) that could very easily, on the internet, be misdiagnosed, even by experienced growers. I don't see alot of those around.

Just wondering if anyone else has pics of plants that led them in the wrong direction or had them chasing their tails because it was showing classic signs of a different issue.

For education, including my own.

My plant was an example. And if I treat it as a nute lockout or repot it, both of which have been suggested, it would most likely die.

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What roots? And the absolute last thing I am doing now is pulling that girl outta the dirt right now as I believe to actually have finally thrown some based upon my observations. Pulling it outta the dirt right now would cause it more problems?

I warned everyone that I know what is wrong with this plant and that trying to diagnose it would probably trip you up. I was only posting it as an example of such a plant that was easily misdiagnosed I was looking for more examples of. To get a collection of 'stumpers' together. To increase knowledge.

And if that doesn't clear it up, I'm outta my own thread and will go away pictureless.
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Dude chill, no reason to be so defensive. Here try this

I don't have any pics of plants that stump me, sorry.

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