millions of mites at 3 1/2 wk of flowering - Page 3

**ZoomBoom** · 09-15-2009, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tripps

Not Cheap. Found it online here-

https://www.primaryproducts.com/Merc...017DA00000000&

No, it isn't cheap...but it is cost effective. I only used 3 drops from my bottle and haven't used it since. At this rate, my great grandchildren will inherit it...

I spent at least the cost of Avid on other remedies that didn't work fully or worked but damaged my plants terribly.

Allglad · 09-15-2009, 11:42 AM

bummer that link from tripps and ZOOMBLOOM is not working for me.

What product is it for?

**ZoomBoom** · 09-15-2009, 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Allglad

bummer that link from tripps and ZOOMBLOOM is not working for me.

What product is it for?

Avid @ PrimaryProducts.

oaksterdam · 09-15-2009, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camper420

Good morning,

I have a cardholder friend whom I originally got my "spider-mites" from in the form of clones given to me who have been for the last two years (and finally got rid of them early this year) battling spider-mites in there six (6) room grow op..
They tried everything .. Pyrethrin, Doktor Doom, sprays, washing, rinsing everything thought of and for two years they battled on..
All these products work as long as the bugs aren't immune to whats being used.
The problem i'm having are these bugs, two years ago were sprayed with all these products and there offspring that hatched from them (now two years later) have an immunitiy to whatever i'm using.
Until some new mariculous pesticide is made that will combat them theres nothing I can do in my op.
"HotShots" work if the room is closed up.. Sprays and such work if you consistly work with your plants.. Chemicals work if you don't mind smokin them.. I do!
Someday, after ordering predatory bugs will my grow op be rid of these infectious little fuckers..

Good luck and have a Better day
don

yeah i know watcha mean dealing with a few plants with mites is manageable but 50 and up shit u start to get a headache. especially out here in the bayarea these clubs are very picky in the quality of buds they are getting. they put them under microscopes and such if they see meldew, dead mites, etc. they wont buy from you. so now u have to actually give it away to other co-ops for alittle bit of nothing and we all know this is not for profit

*buzzmobile* · 09-15-2009, 12:19 PM

rosemania.com has a better price on Avid. It works. Follow label directions and do not use it continually. All of those other remedies aren't worth the dollars and hassle involved.

oaksterdam · 09-15-2009, 12:34 PM

you can also find it on ebay: avid miticide, great deals on Home Garden, floramite on eBay!

vapedg13 · 09-15-2009, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buzzmobile

rosemania.com has a better price on Avid. It works. Follow label directions and do not use it continually. All of those other remedies aren't worth the dollars and hassle involved.

Dont use Avid if your 4 weeks into flower...Avid works best if you spray it on your babies or plants in VEG...

Years ago...I got some clones that had mites sprayed them 1 time with avid never had mites again

Floramite is about the same as Avid but alot less $$.... $13 for a 1/2oz concentrate that make 12 gallons of spray

Avid has about a 4-5 week residual effect .... floramite about 3-4 weeks

*buzzmobile* · 09-15-2009, 01:44 PM

Compare the labels I'm linking below. Please note the manufacturer of both products, the percentage active ingredient, the list of approved uses, and the harvest intervals listed on the labels. Apples have the longest pre-harvest interval at 28 days. Other fruits and vegetables are listed with much shorter intervals. My point being that I am comfortable recommending and using Avid 3-4 weeks into flowering.

Avid label

Agri-Mek label

vapedg13 · 09-15-2009, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buzzmobile

Compare the labels I'm linking below. Please note the manufacturer of both products, the percentage active ingredient, the list of approved uses, and the harvest intervals listed on the labels. Apples have the longest pre-harvest interval at 28 days. Other fruits and vegetables are listed with much shorter intervals. My point being that I am comfortable recommending and using Avid 3-4 weeks into flowering.

Avid label

Agri-Mek label

Try using Avid on a Purple kush that finishes in 6 weeks of flower when your 4 weeks into it...I think you want to go on how long your plant flowers if you have a 8- 10 week flowering plant OK

Quote:

Pot Shots
Pesticides Made Her Sick; Herb Got Her Well
By FRED GARDNER

After six weeks in the hospital, Jane Weirick returned to her home in Hayward in mid-February. She is recovering from a rare, extremely debilitating illness that resulted from chemical exposure, according to her Kaiser doctors. Jane is convinced the chemical assault came from Avid, a pesticide that a few growers of "medical" marijuana reportedly spray on their plants to control spider mites.

Jane has been on the cutting edge of the medical marijuana movement -literally- since 1996, when she was responsible for packaging at Dennis Peron's SF Cannabis Buyers Club. After Prop 215 passed, she began trimming and packaged cannabis for growers and for new Bay Area dispensaries.

When the state forced the SFCBC to close in April '98, leaving thousands of patients without their drug of choice, Jane and Wayne Justmann, Randi Webster and Gary Farnsworth found a building for rent at 350 Divisadero and transformed the drab, vacant space into the San Francisco Patients Resource Center. In 2003 Jane opened her own club in the East Bay while continuing to run her trimming-and-processing service.

As 2004 was winding down, Jane decided to sell the dispensary. Maybe her body sensed trouble coming and her mind got the message. The trouble arrived, as she tells it, on Thanksgiving. "I thought I had the flu. I was tired, I had a headache, I felt sick. I went to the doctor. They gave me painkillers *hydrocodone. They told me 'Take two of these every four hours.' I did that. After two weeks it occurred to me that I was hooked on the painkillers and decided to kick them, which took me three days. But then I couldn't walk.

"I kept going downhill through Christmas. New Year's Eve they moved me by ambulance to Kaiser Hayward. Nine neurologists looked at me. They checked for viral meningitis, brain tumors, you name it. It took them 29 days to come up with a diagnosis. Then they moved me to Kaiser Vallejo. When I got there my entire right side was paralyzed. I couldn't talk, couldn't move. I was in total pain, getting dilaudid intravenously every four hours. I couldn't lift my head up.

"The second day I was there Big Mike came and brought me a joint. Went out in the back and smoked it. I started holding my head up. Next day he brought me another and I held my head up all day. Three days later I could hold my back up. A week later, starting to walk.

"We don't know if cannabis helped bring me back, but Kaiser Vallejo gave me a place to go smoke. Security would wave. Everyone knew what I was doing. I would have brought a Volcano in but I couldn't use my hands. I signed my name today (2/23), that was a first. I'm learning how to type again, starting to catch up on my emails."

Jane says that when she began packaging extensively for the San Francisco CBC, all the cannabis passing through her hands had been grown outdoors. Now, she estimates, 75 to 80 percent of the cannabis sold in Bay Area dispensaries is grown indoors. The outdoor percentage "goes up somewhat around harvest" for a few months. (Cannabis grown indoors is much more susceptible to spider mites.)

Avid, manufactured by Syngenta (formerly by Novartis), is a so-called "natural" pesticide, extracted from a soil bacterium. It is applied to plants in the flowering stage. It is classified by the industry as "slightly" toxic, but by entomologists as "highly" toxic.

Jane says that only "five or six" of the vendors for whom she used to trim admit they used Avid, "and only two used it a lot. But we have no idea how much exposure it takes to cause this, so we don't know how many other people might be affected."

Jane regrets working for one vendor who now admits using Avid heavily. "Over the years I trimmed for him, I packaged for him, I quality-controlled for him. I also found out that my next door neighbor was using it and I could have picked it up from the property I was living on. There's been a lot of exposure."

Jane says the onset of her illness was preceded by about seven months by a severe allergic attack. At that time, she says, "I had to stop trimming and packaging because it made me sneeze so bad."

Jane's advice to those who package or trim cannabis: "Wear masks, wear long sleeves, wear gloves, ventilate the area, and don't do it as much as I did."

Jane was off cannabis for about a week and a half when she first went to the hospital. The initial diagnosis was a brain tumor and she received three days of chemotherapy, during which she says she was "Miserable and nauseous, not eating and throwing up. On the second day they didn't give me any painkillers and when I screamed, they shut the door. The third day I ate a bunch of cannabis caramels and slept all night. Woke up, ate breakfast and didn't throw up. The nurses are in there going 'What happened?' And I told them. The doctor came in and I told him what I was doing and he said 'Fine.' So I ate caramels and when I got to Vallejo, Mike came up and we smoked. And when I could use my hands, I went out there myself."

Jane says she was "off cigarettes a lot longer because nobody would bring me those." She's now using her Volcano vaporizer but her fingers are still not nimble enough to load it.

Tod Mikuriya, MD, thinks "presumptive delayed allergic hypersensitivity" is a reasonable diagnosis and advised Weirick to undergo to confirm it. Mikuriya has been been urging since the mid-1990s that cannabis dispensed for medical purposes be screened for pesticide residue. "Patients with HIV and other illnesses that compromise the immune system are at even greater risk [than Weirick]," he observes.

Dr. Russell Jaffe, apprised of Weirick's history, sees "a good chance that a hormone disrupter chemical is at work, perhaps along with its metabolite (epoxide, usually)."

Dr. X comments: "Avid works as a GABA agonist. So if Jane was given any GABA-agonist medications she would have gotten worse (valium or other muscle relaxants, alcohol). If you go to Pubmed, you'll find lots of research that suggests THC decreases GABA in parts of the brain, so Jane's treatment makes sense!"

A serious organic agronomist consulted by C Notes comments, "Abamectin [the active ingredient in Avid] is called by some a "soft" pesticide because it's made by a bacterium, it's 'natural.' But just because a toxin is made by a bacterium doesn't mean it's safe for human ingestion. Occasionally people have called to ask what pesticide to use and I say, 'Absolutely no, out of the question.' There need to be cultural practices initiated up front that prevent the need for controlled materials.

"Prevention is the key, period. There are truly 'soft' materials: Soaps, oils, water pressure. There are tools to contol pests, there's no excuse to use these pesticides -it's greed, it's dumb, it's just not right."

Jane is in a wheelchair as we go to press, but steadily improving. She says she wants to show herself in her current state "to scare people." An irony of her situation is that just prior to falling ill, Jane had been trying to revive the Medical Cannabis Association, a trade group she helped organize in 1998, to promote production and safety standards. Now she's even more committed to the idea.

Futuregrower · 09-15-2009, 04:49 PM

While I LOATHE chemical pesticides - I think people over-use them - I LOVE the Avid link. It suggests using avid with a sex pheromone for mites.

Poor little mite- thinks it's gonna get lucky, puts on some tunes and a nice set of clothes, and BAM! gets killed by the avid. I agree with the article, avid can be dangerous, and different people react differently.

Has any of the big growers- 50 plants or more- on here just done preventive sprayings with Neem or cinamon-based oils?

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
spider mites on a flowering plant	smokiethedawg	The Plant Nursery	6	12-21-2008 12:38 PM
Spider mites and other bugs during flowering	amanuscarr	The Plant Nursery	4	10-22-2007 03:13 PM
Bush asking for millions for anti-pot commercials....	squirrel_master	Latest News	21	02-18-2007 07:11 PM
2 weeks into flowering and the mites show up	hydroboy83	The Plant Nursery	8	07-20-2006 01:31 PM
one leaf or one bud=millions of plants?	cloneseedling	Propagation	2	04-26-2004 12:53 PM

New To Site?	Need Help?
Register to Participate View Forum Leaders Privacy Statement Contact Us	Frequently Asked Questions Did you forget your password? Mark Forums Read

Hot Products: