indicapro

i need to know how to grow plants, ive read al lthe book and i lterally mean every single book writen on the subject.

i have also wsted close to 2500 dollars of good seed and another 7000 on equipment and nutrients and still cant get a damn plant past the first set of true leaves

i tried hydro and im now trying soiless mix ( promix hp) and still cant get anything going right. the plants seem to stall out on me and do not grow after they break through the medium.

i am starting to beleive that growing indoor under lights is purely fictionaly as i have never seen personally an indoor grow and only read about them in magazines like hight times and what not. i personally beleive that unless you have a PHD it is all crap used to scam unsuspecting people out of money.

if i am wrong, then someone plese give me a tried and true method that i can use to get some mature plants for once with no hassles or shit even hassles will be accepted as long as i get some success.

i use paradise, dutch passion and thseeds to name a few and i always get everyseed to germinate i just cant get them to grow past the seedling stage. i also have treid every single nutrients company ive heard about and still nothing. i know i am messing up somewhere and i need to be pointed in the right direction so i dont lose my money and a years worth of sleepless night work. i will be using either pro mix for initial growth or promix what ever some one t ell me to.

y know when do i start to feed and how strong and how often do i water and all that jazz.

Magical Cabinet

If you can't get past the seedling stage, why would you be feeding them anything? Feeding a plant that small will likely kill it. This site has a wealth of information on it, and countless step by step journals....but....

No food till they have real leaves, and don't water till they're dry.

That's a good start.

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indicapro

i dont the food i have is for the clones that i took from my buddies outdoor plant that are in bloom, but they are definatly not suited to well for the indoor environment.

i read books and compare my olants development to the ones in the book at various stages and ages and it is no were near the ones in book and in others grow journals. i ve tried waiting till reall leave and all that but they never get past the first set of trues
is pro mix hp not a good medium to start seeds in? i have jiffy and will be using it when the next batch cracks. how should i treat them after putting them in jiffy mix.

Freakshow68

Well, why not check out some of our soil grow journals? I don't give my plant any nutrients until they shwo a need for it, such as their new growth yellowing. Use some excellent soil such as Fox Farms OCean forest with some added perlite. Don't water them until the pots are dry. Keept he temps within range 70-80. You should be fine.

what else are you doing to kill them?

edit: I just googled your Jiffy Mix potting soil and it doesn't look that great. Go get some good soil

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xblazedx421

I think I remeber reading that if you take plants that have been growing outdoors for sometime, and grow them indoors they can turn hemrie.

IMO that seems like alot of money wasted for no buds.

Like others here said, your maybe feeding them too much too soon?

any way, good luck!

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Indoor growing is no suburban legend.....lots and lots.

I tried big right away and got burned but time helps. Get 2 plants to flower mode when you do you'll have a firm grasp of growing.

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discingolfer

You should learn how to grow in soil before trying hydro.

What kind of lights? How close to plants? Temp & humidity for grow room? Good ventilation (in and out)? Clean water?

I really dont know what to say if you've spent $9500 and still haven't grown anything. Start all over with a new grow and have a grow journal on this site and you might get better results. If you keep it updated people will help. You need to describe your grow room, that might help.

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bluecheese

Well, I can tell your patience is zero because you PM'd the same question to me last night after I went to bed. Growing takes patience.

Like I suggested there, answer the Nursery Questionnaire to give us an idea of your total situation.

You shouldn't feed seedlings & I'll bet you're overwatering them once they germinate.

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and the moral of the story is; Start small!


Seven grand worth of equipment tells me your trying to setup at least a 4000 watt growroom. (if your not then your doing something horribly wrong because I could setup a 8000 watt grow for that price knowing what i know now)

by the looks of it you havent even grown anything under a 400w lamp.

trust me theres HUUUUUUGe differences between a 400w grow and a 4000 watt grow. , the 4kw grow being exponentially harder by about 10x. 10x the variables 10x the light 10x the heat, 10x the plants to worry about, 10x the work.... and 10x as much to fuck up. 10x as much electricity. you get the picture.

you have to think of growing kind of like conducting a symphony or an orchestra... It doesn't just all fall into place automatically. You have to practice.

And its not the best idea to start to practice conducting an orchestra during the biggest performance of your entire career. Most successful conductors start out with bagseed and a compact florescent.

My first impression; if you wanna do hydro ditch the soilless mix crap and start them in rockwool and transplant to hydroton. I'm willing to bet your plants are overwatered. or of course... if your feeding them nutrients at this stage they're toasted by nutrients for sure. they dont need any nutrients until their first little leaves start to turn brown. and start them on 1/4 strength reccomended (this is after about 3 weeks of growth)

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PATIENCE; What it is, and , what it AINT'
Patience is not a virtue; you heard me, patience is NOT a virtue. Patience, in our little (or big) hobby is no more a virtue than a ph or ppm meter, or nutes. Patience IS a tool, a tool that must be kept sharp and used often.

Let's consider a newbies journey into growing.

The newbie starts by talking with his friends about the price of local weed and it's nasty taste. The newbie then considers growing (of course the newbie sees Mr. Freedom's post in security and TELL'S NO ONE). The newbies first step is to type "cannabis" in a search engine, where he finds his way to multiple cannabis related boards. This is were the newbie first starts to use his Patience tool. There are a lot of things to read, what seeds to pick and why, what medium to use (hydro or soil) and their pro's and con's, what space to use (closet, homemade grow box, or a whole basement). And, what about lights? There are fluros, mh, hps, 250's, 430's, 1000's and, this leads to another search for cheap lights on a certain auction site that we all know of.

At this point the newbies Patience tool is becoming dull. He has spent, perhaps a month, doing nothing but reading about all of the great harvest's by other board memebers, he has sifted through endless grow advice, he has searched out the best seeds, he has found cheap lights, he has a fully remodeled basement just for growing (leave me alone about 2x8 closests; this is my story). The newbie's Patience tool is very dull, so dull in fact that, after reading all availble grow advice he is now MORE CONFUSED THAN EVER.

So, with this dull tool the newbie just starts posting question after question, NOT because the newbie is stupid, quite the contrary, the newbie is VERY well informed at this point, he has just allowed his Patience tool to get dull and now he needs IMMEDIATE ANSWERS.

At this point I suggest that the newbie turn off his internet connection; really; do it; NOW. Turn off your internet and open wordpad, now, write down all that you have learned up to this point. Write the reasons that you are going to use 5 gallon pails to grow your plants and what you expect of this type of grow, include the problems that might be expected in a hydro grow. Write down what kind of lights you are going to be using and the reasons, for example, 430 hps sun agro lighting system; you are using this because you can't afford to buy a 1000 watter and the spectrum of the agro lends itself to both veg and flower. Write what you have learned about different types and strains of cannabis(I would suggest NOT including the outrageous prices some seed companys charge, this will only dull your patience again).

At the end of this, the newbie will have sharpened his Patience tool again. Once the newbie has a sharp tool again, he is now willing to search out the basic questions he has for himself, this will lead to an even sharper tool. As the newbie finds confidence in his new found knowledge of growing aspects, he quickly becomes adept at burrowing through the BS and finding that which is relevant.

It is important to keep the Patience tool sharp; considering the endless research the newbie has engaged in and the endless decision making processes, he has yet to have any of his equipment shipped to him yet. This is where the patience tool is, yet again, dulled. It may help the newbie to remember that the U.S. postal service is about the best delivery system in the world and IT STILL SUCKSSSS!!!! I tell the newbie, don't BE patient, EXCERSICE your patience, feel it getting sharper, stronger and more adept.

The final step's and the greatest challenge,to the newbies, Patience tool is the GROW. After excersicing his patience for at least 2 months ( researching HOW to grow, Ways to grow, lights to use, seeds to use, fans, buckets, nutes, ph meters etc, etc, etc.) the newbie is in for the most disasterous time for his Patience tool.

Growing, from a seed to a full harvest, may take TWICE AS LONG as all of the previous research and waiting for equipment to arrive. After the long wait the newbie leaves his Patience tool right next to the boxes his equipment came in, no longer being considered as important, maybe even being considered irrelevant now, the newbie forgets his MOST IMPORTANT TOOL.

Again the newbie should be encouraged to pick up his Patience tool and sharpen it; it will leave him in good stead as his grow progresses.

So, to end my endless diatribe, newbies, take note, your best tool is PATIENCE. Because, no matter what you have done to get ready, up to this point, patience is the key to growing fine cannabis.

Have no fear, my newbie friends, we have, each one of us (experienced growers) been through the scary process of keeping our Patience tool sharp and we are willing to help you keep your's sharp as well. We understand the impatience that can grip ones heart when, upon seeing a wilted leaf on our beautiful new seedling, we panic and instead of USING OUR PATIENCE tool, we run to the grow board and quickly ask what is wrong.

I am not suggesting that newbies don't post questions, quite the contrary, post away, we will answer all. But, before you post, use your Patience tool, calm down, check the things that, we know, that you already know; the ph, the water, the temps, the ppm's, air flow.

When you do this you are benefiting yourself, you have searched the most relevant reasons for your wilted leaf, you have more information at this point and can give this information to us so we can help you the first time, and YOU HAVE SHARPENED YOUR MOST IMPORTANT TOOL;
YOUR PATIENCE.

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