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Old 11-02-2008, 12:03 PM   #1
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Flush question for big pots

The pots don't dry out quickly due to their size and relatively small plants.

4 days into flower and still no flowering nutes because of the moist soil. The next watering/feeding, I want to be adding FN Bloom but I also wanted to flush with pure water (which I haven't done yet for this grow).

The question is: Can I flush with water then feed after that all on the same occasion? If I don't it'll be another 4 or 5 (or more) days before I could hit the nutes again.

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The pots don't dry out quickly due to their size and relatively small plants.

4 days into flower and still no flowering nutes because of the moist soil. The next watering/feeding, I want to be adding FN Bloom but I also wanted to flush with pure water (which I haven't done yet for this grow).

The question is: Can I flush with water then feed after that all on the same occasion? If I don't it'll be another 4 or 5 (or more) days before I could hit the nutes again.

Thanks for any

certainly can. in fact, the plant loves it. flush it, I've found that luke warm water works best, washes away build up more efficiently. let it drain for a good hour or so, and hit it with you nutes, enough to start dripping out the other end. I did it this way for the last 4 weeks of my hollands hope plant. the soil just wouldn't dry out so I decided to treat it more like a hydrosoil. flushed it every 3 days to make sure the water didn't go stagnent and rot my roots. flushed with water/molasses, then 3 days later flushed with water, then fooding, 3 days after that, water/molasses again. and so on.

but, I'd wait first after the first flush. I've also had plants that didn't drink a lot start drinking a lot more after the first flush going into flowering. actually, all my plants start drinking at least a little more when I flush them for the first time.

it may start drinking like normal which would be ideal. I dont'know how well it would work out for you if you had to do what I did for your whole flowering cycle. although I must admit, I''d be curious to see it. I don't think it'd be a problem honestly as long as your watching ph and all that jazz.

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Old 11-02-2008, 02:06 PM   #3
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I think you may be better off waiting until they dry out some more.
At this stage of the game, flushing could create an overwatered plant and it's not going to be happy.
Are they showing any defs?
How big are they in relation to the pots they are in? Sounds like the roots have plenty of room to stretch and look for water.

I've got some plants that are 8 days into flowering. I transplanted them the day before flowering. They just got thier first watering last night. They aren't showing any defs and are in fresh FF soil, so I didn't feed them.

When I have a large pot and a small plant I do my waterings around the edge of the pot so the roots have to grow out to reach it...otherwise I'll find a lot of wasted soil that the roots didn't reach in the pots at the end of the grow.
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valid points, but IMHO if a plants soil stays wet for too long especially this early in the game it has a great chance of ending up with root rot down the road. I think if it's always in wet soil it will become over watered anyway, whether you added more water to it or not. the roots are already not taking in more then they need if the plant has already sat in wet soil for so long. otherwise it'd already show signs of overwatering.

I'd try to do something to get the plant to want to drink again, and this can often be caused by build-ups that can be washed away with a good flush.

if the problem persists, you could try a transplant into a new larger pot with alot of extra aeration in the soil. but the staying wet too long problem should be addressed IMO.

not trying to step on toes, I just have an different opinion.

crazytrain certainly knows his stuff...even makes me wonder if my way is the best way reading his opinion. lol, but I think roots sitting in wet soil aren't getting any or at least not enough oxygen. just my

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It's hard to tell how big they are because their trained pretty hard but I'd estimate about 1.5 feet high at the beginning of flowering in 4gal containers. Stem has an anprox 1/4in diameter. No signs of defs.

For the flush I'll probably do what dreads mentioned and flush and feed on the same day.

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When I have a large pot and a small plant I do my waterings around the edge of the pot so the roots have to grow out to reach it...otherwise I'll find a lot of wasted soil that the roots didn't reach in the pots at the end of the grow.
LST for roots! Is there a way to apply that in an upward direction. If I add soil to top up a pot, will roots climb into the fresh topsoil?

For streamlining things, my process occasionally makes use of larger pots filled half way. The re-pot is simply done by popping her out and adding more soil to the bottom of the container and putting her back in.

Considering the main stem is long enough could I reduce the stress and just add a new layer to the top? Maybe a a few scratches with rooting hormone at the base beforehand?
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Adding more soil to the top is a great idea and I always have to to this a few weeks after I transplant. It's also a good opportunity to feed them. You could put some worm castings, guano etc in the top dressing. The roots will find it, if they are looking for water. If not the food you put in it will find it's way down when you do water.
lately I've been sticking my moisture meter in the bottom of the pot through the drain hole and when it's in the moist-dry zone, then I water.
Sounds like those pots are correct size for those plants. I've got a few that just won't dry out as well. They just arent' thirsty.
I like that idea about planting deep in the pot and repot just by adding soil underneath, and adding rooting hormone to your feedings for the first few weeks of flowering is common practice.
Perhaps putting a fan on the plants blowing low near the soil will help them dry out.
I'd wait until they start to wilt before I watered again though. Giving water to wet soil hasn't worked out to well for me in the past.. Late in flowering, when I'm flushing the plants it's ok, but early in flowering I feel I need those roots to stretch out, get big, and fill those pots.
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