Can any plant be topped ?

red-bull · 03-18-2009, 01:58 PM

hiya a mate told me not all plants can be topped. Is this true? thank you

**burndt** · 03-18-2009, 02:03 PM

High Red

I've read in some GJ's here that some certain genetics don't respond well to topping. Sometimes breeders will tell you in their descriptions that it doesn't respond well to topping. Trial and error I guess mate

Take two clones. Top one, LST the other. I got away from topping a long time ago and exclusively LST now. You can read about it in the training forum

Hope this helps a little bit

Edit: it's not that they CAN'T be topped, it's how they respond to that stress...Ppl that top will tell you that there's no better way. Ppl that LST will also tell you there's no better way due to the plant not being stressed...you decide. 6 in one, half dozen in the other.

dankers · 03-18-2009, 02:15 PM

Perhaps the Reference Library can be of use, lots of useful information here. Hall of Threads - Training Here's myMUSICveins' response to topping, makes a lot of sense, you may want to reconsider.

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This is why we are here. To Destroy Misinformation. Now, this might be a slight rant, but it’s very much related to the LST theme.

I have fallen victim to the topping fever. I did it, I admit it. That’s ok, I know better now, and so will you. I’ve topped, and i've FIMed, and ill tell you what I observed; what i’ve learned.

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First and foremost

Topping: There is this whole belief that doing this increases your yield. Someone says "Well, how can it not, there are twice as many tops now"

Are there really? NO. In fact, if you actually counted the amount of tops, you just LOST one! YEA, imagine that, YOU cut it off.

Here is where the misinformation comes in. When everybody talks bout topping, they make it sound as if two NEW tops magically sprout from the cut you just made. Now, as nice as that would be, that’s not what happens. What does happen is that the branches below the newly cut top become the new main tops. Now, people do this for a couple reasons. First as I said before, they think they have just doubled their tops. And secondly, because they want to promote a bushier plant.

It baffles my mind how what they just did actually achieved the exact opposite of BOTH of their objectives. Those branches below the cut were there before, and if they weren’t, they should have been. You shouldn’t have to induce them by cutting the main top off. Branches happen REALLY early, if they don’t, it’s a lack of light, good health or some other such reason that’s really irrelevant. The point is, that the branches should have (and in most cases) are ALREADY there.

So when you cut that main top off, you are LOSING a top, SUBTRACTING. All that changes is that the prior secondary tops are no longer secondary.

You have LESS plant, LESS bush, LESS everything; please don’t do this.

This creates undue stress. You just lost a finger.

The plant has to heal, takes time to close the wound; slows down your grow.

NOTHING BENEFICIAL

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Wait, so you are saying topping serves no purpose what so ever?

Gonna make me work for this one eh? Fine, I take it back for now. Let me explain.

As far as topping for the reasons most do it, i'm holding firm to my position. The exception comes with cloning. You obviously need a cutting, so you are going to have to top the plant somewhere (rarely the main top).

Let me just say this though. When taking a clone, it’s important that you take the clone during the day. The plant has a growth hormone called "auxins" that are in the growth tips during the day, and in the roots at night.

This is the same reason it’s advised to NOT top a plant during the day with no intentions to take a clone (all the wrong reasons). It will take the plant that much longer to recover if it loses its valuable auxins because you cup off the top during the day.

Needless to say, if you intend to clone, and root the cutting you just made, take the clone during the day, as it will root faster since all the auxins are there (as it was taken during the day).

So what did we learn? IMO don’t top unless you are taking a cutting for a future clone. If you are going to top anyways, and don’t intend to take a clone, do so at night (toxins in the roots, so none are lost, and you get a quicker recovery time).

When I say night and day, it’s obviously dependant on your light schedule for your plants; not if its literally light or day outside (they don’t live outside, remember).

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Hope this helps

Dankers

UpNorth · 03-18-2009, 02:29 PM

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The plant has to heal, takes time to close the wound; slows down your grow.

NOTHING BENEFICIAL

I top to slow my vegetative growth down, otherwise I'd be flowering 5 ft monsters, even w/ LST'ing and don't have the room for that.

red-bull · 03-18-2009, 02:45 PM

Thanks very much for the time in some advice i will read away now .. thanks alot hope every one is well take care
Red...

CRAZYTRAIN · 03-18-2009, 03:39 PM

Here's some plants that I topped 2 or 3 times, and I'm glad i did

red-bull · 03-20-2009, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by dankers

Perhaps the Reference Library can be of use, lots of useful information here. Hall of Threads - Training Here's myMUSICveins' response to topping, makes a lot of sense, you may want to reconsider.

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Hope this helps

Dankers

gotta sathis is funny and briliant thank you dankers

plainsman1963 · 03-20-2009, 04:10 PM

Different strokes for different folks...I'll just say I don't agree with mymusicveins and leave it at that.

On to the subject:
Yes, I have seen breeders' descriptions of certain strains that say they don't respond well to topping.

claymoore · 03-23-2009, 12:05 AM

looking good. what week of veg did you top ? what strain is it?

this is my birth into this sites forum, ola me nombre claymoore

looks like i found another site to encourage me to follow my intuitions.

CRAZYTRAIN · 03-23-2009, 12:12 AM

That's Purple Kush. I topped them as soon as the rooted and again a week or two later and I think about a week after that I topped anything that was getting a lot taller than the rest of the group. I'm going on memory, I really didn't keep accurate records, sorry

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