Dr.Budz

Well, fox farm big bloom is the only organic liquid nute they make. So that taste is from chems or poorly flushed plants.

I know they dont contain bad chemicals. Anthrax isnt being used at AN I would hope. Still though, IMO organic grown bud is tastier, and produces a better high.

Thats just my opinion. If you want to grow with chemical nutrients just to yield a bit more, go for it.

Sure the leaves turn into "fall colors". The nutrients in them are getting used up to MAKE THE BUDS. We dont smoke the flushed leaves/dirt/roots. We smoke the buds.

Only way to flush those chemical nutrients out of the bud is a water cure.

Dr.Budz

Please, Im not saying chemical grown is nasty. Ill smoke it anytime.

But I wont lie. If that was grown with organics side by side, I would be smoking the organic buds, and probably using the chem grown for hash.

To say a 2-3 week flush cleans out the buds is insane. It cleans out the water/roots/maybe a bit of the stems...But not the buds.
Peace man.

Futuregrower

Really? I thought all the nutes are drawn up the same as hydro as in soil? Meaning N is N, P is P.

I've eaten side-by-side veggies in hydro/ soil, and couldn't tell the difference. Unless one was inside one was outside, then outside was better, i figured it is cause of some micro nute missing in hydro.

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Dr.Budz

One NPK source is naturally made...Ones man made. Chemical nutrients would not be labled as chemicals if they were the same "ingrediants" as organic products.

When I say chems people think Im talking bad on them....? Thats what they are Go to a plant site, and look at the nutrients. Tell me it doesnt have a chemical or organic section.

Futuregrower

no, Dr. budz, i think you misunderstand- I meant that when the plant uses it, it draws up the N or P or K. It doesn't know if it got those from bat guano worm casings or GH 2-part, all it knows is NPK plus micro stuff. That's one reason teas work- you're leaching the NPK plus micros out of the manure.

I think it may be like a person eating say an apple, vs taking a vitamin containing all the same vitamins as in the apple, C, B, whatever. They are the same chemically- once they get absorbed the body doesn't know if it was a pill or an apple,

BUT the difference being, organic has better balances- after all, plants evolved alongside the animals making the fertilizers- and also organic has probably better micros, which may play a part in absorption of the macros.



Anyway, I'd love to see a double-blind side by side taste test at a dispensary somewhere, to see if soil really does taste better to most people or if it's something not everyone can taste.

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EMj

I personally use Botanicare and yield just fine thank you

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Agree with EMJ. I also use GH 3 part, and do a two day flush with FloraKleen, and I do not experience any chemical taste.

As to what to use - won't argue one method or system is better than another. It's a matter of personal preference, really. I did leap into indoor growing going straight into hydro. I did have issues, but that's inexperience more than anything. Got it dialled in now, and getting good results. But yes, it was expensive as I bought a commercially made unit. Currently working on a low buck DIY aeroponic fogger system. Hoping to see some good results with that, but that isn't something I'd recommend to a beginner. Plants react quickly to water or nutrient issues in a hydro system, even faster in an aeroponic system.

billnye1991

[/quote]Anyway, I'd love to see a double-blind side by side taste test at a dispensary somewhere, to see if soil really does taste better to most people or if it's something not everyone can taste.[/quote]

They have done that. I saw it on an episode of Penn & Teller Bullshit. They had people tasting both all organic fruit and fruit that had been grown with different chemicals and stuff. The funny thing was that a lot of the people picked the non-organic fruit over the organic because they said that it appealed more to their senses.

Dr.Budz

OK,
Once again. Not saying chem grown bud is bad tasteing, nasty, harsh...ANYTHING like that.

I am saying. The same strain...Side by side. One grown with organics, one with chemicals. I would choose the organic one all day. The high is better, the taste is better.

My opinion. sorry if you dissagree.

EMj, Im not sure of your comment? I never said a word about your yields. Or what you use.

Future, we can live off pills I guess. But can we thrive? lol Peace.

Underarock

Let me try....

Plants absorb isotopes.....

in chemical nutes....for example a lot of nitrogen comes from urea (sludge from water treatment plants)

in 'organic' nutes...bioorganisms eat the organic matter and then piss in your dirt

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