bagabones73

in reading i hear hear it mentioned alot the length of the cuttings to be clones

what are the benefits of the cuttings being longer rather than shorter?

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Longer means hopefully you can get at least one node below the soil .

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I've found that my larger clones tend to root faster, stronger, and survive a better percentage of the time, and overall make better new plants



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bagabones73

thank you for the info

some times when i continue to ask more detailed questions it appears i am disagreeing with the much appreciated answer

please be assured that is not what im doing - im just trying to understand the mechanics by asking questions

starting with the mother :
we all know M/H is suppose to be better for veg and HPS for flower

i have read that many like to keep there moms under hps even though thay are in veg

i guess the little extra stretch is desirable for clones

having said that i go back to clones-

if moms are under m/h and not much stretching clones will be shorter

if clones are shorter - would this allow for short 1 week veg time to try and add extra nodes+ extra root growth and extra strength to main stem without plant over shooting in height for sog

or even if you didnt veg at all wouldnt the shorter cutting end in a shorter plant at harvest?

please - i tend to over analyze

i have very little experience - just running hypothetical ideas

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Hi there bagabones73. The reason why the M/H is used during veg is it emits a closer spectrum to the sun during spring and high summer. The HPS, Late summer and early fall.

The reason why you can keep a plant under hps and still get it to veg has to do with the plant chemicly keeping track of the number of daylight hours. Once it goes down *24/0 to 12/12 as an example*, even though the light color hasn't changed, its flowering trigger is chemical based and not spectrum based.


I think this is a $$$ factor. Convenience factor too.


I'd say start forgetting about the length of your plant, and start thinking about the size of the stalk. A cutting with it's main branch the size of a straw will grow faster and stronger compared to the cutting the size of a toothpick.


Yeah, I'd think so. But I do about a 3 week veg to cuttings to correct that issue

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dave.b

yea because mums will grow faster
More, the penetration of hps will develop new branches even in the lower part of the plant

it also depends on how many clones you need, and how big your moms are
but if you don't have $$ probems, or heat problems, go with hps, I always got AMAZING results, does not matter if agro or not

alleycat

bagabones73--Most people end up using HPS for flowering for convience to them, maybe got the light free or whatnot. What you'll find out when growing a mother plant, is that pretty much any light will grow mother plants, it comes to how many clones you'll need, and how often to have a HID light over it. I have one friend that take 8 clones off his mother plant every 2 months, and just uses one cfl bulb for the mother, super tight and almost not enough node spacing for cloning, but gets him by. I've sure people with HPS lights on their moms' don't have a problem with clone size or numbers, but the MH is better for mom plants. You want some spacing on clones, and really with any of the lights, MH, HPS, cfl, or T5's, it's not what light you use, but how you use that light. I've seen tight noding on all of them, and I've seen stretched plants under all those lights. Whatever you'd decide on, just make sure to use it to it's fullest potential. IMHO And for your question, length of cuttings, I have better luck with somewhat bigger ones, when they are too small, alot of times they just don't seem to take off for me. 3-4 inches is ideal, 2 inches don't work real well.

Happy Growing

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bagabones73 …. Howdy! …pi here….
I like to cut them off about here and immediately place under water.









Then trim all the excess foliage off to less’n the load on the stem.



Place into bubble cloner (day one)



In about seven days you will notice a little bit of droup but not to worry because




Because the cell structure is work’in in your favor. (could take a little longer)




Then in about 17 days after the initial cut you should be look’in down this barrel.

Clones can be taken in a wide range of sizes and stem diameters but I have found this particular size good for have’in a excellent rate of consistency and dependability…

I use no clone solution only a 200ppm nute mix at 5.9 +/- pH.


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