GroweroftheDank

I'm fairly experienced with cloning and have done clones over the past few years, but been having a problem with a specific strain.

I root my clones in peat pellets. After taking clones w/ visible roots coming out of the humidity dome, I cut away the peat pellet, wash the peat away from the small roots, then put them into a hempy. I did this with 3 out of 4 clones in the past 2 days, and found that within 12 hours, the newly transplanted clones are withering up! I already lost 1 out of the 3 i did this with, and am trying to salvage the surviving 2 clones.

So, I still have 1 clone in a peat pellet in the humidity chamber. As a simple experiment, I took it out and put it under a 40W CFL about 8" away from it. Within an hour, it started wilting and drooping.. I then placed it back into the humidity chamber, and within an hour or 2 it "perked up" again, so I'm ruling out "transplant shock".

The difference in humidity is somewhat slight, with the chamber being about 90% and the outside being about 80%. Any suggestions??

GardenTHIS

Hmm why do you cut away the medium? Have you tried rockwool?
What is this "hempy" you speak of? You have a 80% ambient outside humid level??? how?! Where are you growing at? How big are the clones and what is this "tough" strain you seem to be having trouble with?

Looking to help!

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GroweroftheDank

I cut away the peat because its caused some stem rot in some plants later on. I'm probably going to stop doing this, since I think it streses the smaller clones too much.

Yes, I used RW cubes before. Their ok, but never had problems with peat pellets either.

Hempy buckets. Passive hydro. I use 5 gal buckets.

My veg room has 80% humidity. The clones are on the smaller side - between 7-8cm. I know they should be larger, but i have a limited window of 'grow time' so I'm trying to get as many girls goin as soon as i can. The strain is Nirvana NLxBB, I'm REALLY disappointed with the yields. ( using 400W HPS ) The grandmom is on her last weeks of flower. I've grown much larger buds & colas on other strains. The only good thing about this strain is that its low odor.

I'm decided to slowly wean the clone from the chamber into the grow room, but cracking the dome, then removing it over the next day or so. I'll post results.

GroweroftheDank

Just to give the example in pics. I took pics over a 2 hr period to show how bad it got.

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discingolfer

I don't think it's removing the humidty dome that's killing them, I believe it's the removing the soil from the roots that's ultimately doing you in. Yeah, they may be a little droopy after removing the humidity dome, but they should rebound once they get used to the new air. Maybe try taking the dome off first at night so they don't have to handle the full blast of the HPS right away. Most people growing hempy leave their clones in the rockwool/soil when they transplant into the hempy medium.

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GroweroftheDank--Boy I'd think you shouldn't be cutting away the peat pellet either, those things I've grown them out after transplanting to hydro and don't need to remove the peat pellet from around the roots. If you have 80% humidity outside the dome, that should be plenty of humidity, I have it going from 90% humidity to outside of 20% humidity and they don't wilt down like that if rooted as you stated. Those pellets have the little netting around them, and if you just leave that alone shouldn't have problems transplanting into a hempy. If you take them out from under the dome, and don't cut the pellet away, then do they still wilt down?? If so, they need more time under the dome, when mine are ready to come out from under the dome, they won't wilt down at all. And if they aren't ready, within 20 minutes I'll see them start wilting down and put them back under. Might be cause you have that 80% humitidy outside the dome that yours are taking longer to wilt down, but try one outside and leave the pellet alone, that will answer your question if cutting it away is what is doing that to your clones.

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Hmmm

The only thing i can thing of is that the plants reaction is a result of the Humidity change. Try misting the plants with water when the dome is pulled. that MIGHT help things. Repeat the misting often.

Hope that helps!

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w47b

Sounds like too much shock at once. Are you watering them whem you transplant them? nutes in it if you do? If so what? I personally don't water for a day or two after transplant to promote root growth. I agree with Alleycat and Snow, you should not cut that cube away. Too much of a shock. try after trasplanting them, put a clear bottom cut out bottle over them so the humidity will come back up to 90% like before. Something is DEF wrong if in less that two hours that is happening. Way to much stress at one time.


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i had that strain (i still might, i seeded it, but hehe forgot to mark the container)

i failed to clone it, but it was 1 of my first tries, i killed everything except a clone of bagseed, that seems amazingly easy to clone.

i was really sad about that cause i mustave gotten the jackpot in phenotypes, the buds were at least 3 times the size of my papaya, not much less in potency and a really nice smoke.

lots of resin and good smell, strong close up.

only 1 out of 10 seeds survived, while the papaya 9 out of 10.

GroweroftheDank

Thanks all you experts for your input.

-alleycat:yep, my plan is to leave it in the pellet this time when moving it into the hempy. Yes, as the pics show, the last clone DOES wilt alot after I move it from the chamber. I'm leaving the lid of the chamber slightly ajar as to sort of 'wean' the last clone off the high humidity. I'll leave it in the chamber for another 5-6 days.

-GardenTHIS & w47b: Yes, misting after transplant and watering with distilled water and veeery slight fert..like a tiny pinch of Maxigrow in a quart mister. No PH down...yet.

-discingolfer: Yes, they should 'rebound' after taking out the the chamber as I've discovered with other clones, but this NLxBB strain seems very touchy. I'm not using HPS for veg, just a 22w 5400 (blue) CFL until the get a foothold, then under a 4' shoplight ( 1 red, 1 white bulb). I love veggin that way..cheap and effective

Current update: Out of the 4 clones, 3 that I cut away the peat pellet and put into hempys, 1 completely died ( like shrivelled up to nothing); the remaining 2 are rebounding, but the edges of the larger fan leaves are actually 'crunchy', like completely dried out. Even after misting every hour for the last 8 hours. Seems like their dying for moisture.




Ok, I know you might ask "why do your hempy buckets look so weird?",
I posted about the formula here: http://www.gardenscure.com/420/hydro...y-buckets.html

The Delta formula isn't the problem. I grew last year with this formula & got great results:


I think even though a couple of roots were poking out of the pellet on each clone, they needed more roots ( time ) in the chamber as alleycat suggests.

I've never read about this before, hence my panic.

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