CLONING MADE EASY, a pictorial guide. - Page 50

**Lou Cypher** · 06-11-2009, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by n_d_shadows

Is it possible that in 2 clone cycles his environment was different enough to bring out other phenotypes or alleles?

Absolutely n_d.

People who clone tropical orchids they can change phenos with in one grow season, so one orchid don't look similar to others (yet they're the same strain) thus the customer has more choices.

Usually perpetual growers like booty that grows the same strain for years get to see the different phenos at play when temp and RH is not kept the same from grow to grow.

My BB moms flowered in a room with an average temp of 87F and 70% humidity, and they look nothing like the clones I'm about to harvest that grew in hempy mix with a steady 83F and 50% humidity.

The plants look different structurally, which that has to do with the more watts of light that they get, but the aroma and calyx build up is completely different.

Temp and RH mainly will effect the structure and growing habits of the plant, so yes I'll say your friends environment altered the pheno.

The potency of that clone of course will depend from what brunch of the plant he took the cutting.
Knowing that, you can estimate the amount of potency your plant will have if grown with out any deficiency's that can alter the outcome.

**Lou Cypher** · 06-11-2009, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by M_Jacobs

How can I preserve the pheno of a specific mother if I lost the original top

Jacobs, its not just the top that is the exact copy of the genetics of a plant, is the whole main stem, which means you can take any part of that stem with some leaves on and preserve the original.

As you see on that little drawing, you can cut any part of the main stem and clone it.

**Lou Cypher** · 06-11-2009, 09:48 AM

nigel, interesting info my friend.
The issue of cloning is still so debated that I tend to believe growers like Ed that try things at hand and speak mainly from experience than theory speculations.

The truth is, we're so far from knowing what is actually happening in nature and how things effect life and evolution.

Nice picks, love them mutants, they'll prolly get the best buds.

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Originally Posted by Camper420

Way too much info so early in the morn.
my head hurts I gotta go for a walk on the beach ..

Don,
never too early to start your day with some mind twisting info and colorful drawings.

**Lou Cypher** · 06-11-2009, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by hunter2021

They haven't wilted at all Idk if they are supposed to I'm kinda confused, this is third day kinda...

Second node there is a leaf that is two leaves stuck together, then the third node is now starting three leaves.

hunter, they haven't wilted cause they have enough humidity to keep the leaves moist, thats a good sign.

By no means scrap that red diesel man, it will come out of its funk, is healthy with nice green leaves, let it grow.
Usually when Freak gets a freak, it ends up the best plant.

hunter2021 · 06-11-2009, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Lou Cypher

hunter, they haven't wilted cause they have enough humidity to keep the leaves moist, thats a good sigh.

By no means scrap that red diesel man, it will come out of its funk, is healthy with nice green leaves, let it grow.
Usually when Freak gets a freak, it ends up the best plant.

Awesome, music to my ears...

it sucks though like ten mins after I put that hot towel in there it goes ice cold, I really wish I could get those rooters warmer or something... Ah well I'm not ready to drop cash on a heating pad yet.

I guess this Freak Diesel could prove to make for an interesting Mother, and journal (still haven't started it).

Can you imagine... an army of freak clones...

mayan · 06-11-2009, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Lou Cypher

The plant mainly sends 60% of its nutrients through the main (core) stem to the top of the plant, 30% to the secondary growth and the remaining 10% to the higher # brunches.

Regardless how many lumen's hit the secondary or higher number buds, they will never be as potent as the main buds.

Thanks, Lou. Really helpful and interesting information. In my early pirate days, I had heard that the potency of a plant is determined by the proximity to the top and the main stem. Which is why I had always favored the untopped, untrained plant. Gimme that main cola!! I raised the issue here (I think) at some point and was told that the potency was determined more by the lumens (and, of course, genetics) rather placement on the plant but you are saying gives a perfectly rational and scientific explanation for why my first contention was correct. If what you say is correct - and I understand the need for SCRoG, LST, etc. particularly with limited space - it makes me wonder whether, all things being equal and the grow space being adequate, it's just more sensible to go with SOG or at least the naturally developed plant. Of course, if you are going for quantity, then all bets are off...but if you are going for potency, it seems like the tops and the buds closest to the main stem are where its at.

Now, I wonder how much of a variation you will get between a main top bud and a side branch bud. And then there's also the question as to whether the THC trichs themselves are less potent on the side branches or whether there is just less of 'em. But these are for other discussions, I guess....not really about cloning.

hunter2021 · 06-11-2009, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mayan

Thanks, Lou. Really helpful and interesting information. In my early pirate days, I had heard that the potency of a plant is determined by the proximity to the top and the main stem. Which is why I had always favored the untopped, untrained plant. Gimme that main cola!! I raised the issue here (I think) at some point and was told that the potency was determined more by the lumens (and, of course, genetics) rather placement on the plant but you are saying gives a perfectly rational and scientific explanation for why my first contention was correct. If what you say is correct - and I understand the need for SCRoG, LST, etc. particularly with limited space - it makes me wonder whether, all things being equal and the grow space being adequate, it's just more sensible to go with SOG or at least the naturally developed plant. Of course, if you are going for quantity, then all bets are off...but if you are going for potency, it seems like the tops and the buds closest to the main stem are where its at.

Now, I wonder how much of a variation you will get between a main top bud and a side branch bud. And then there's also the question as to whether the THC trichs themselves are less potent on the side branches or whether there is just less of 'em. But these are for other discussions, I guess....not really about cloning.

If I had money on it I would guess there are more trichs. This is how I see it...

The main cola of the main stem seems to bulk up more than the other colas. I say this because I had LSTed a a main cola over and over, keeping it lower than secondarys and it still was way fatter than them....

Now keeping this in mind I believe the more ""buried"" calyxes on the inside of a nug the more trichs are on the outside, for the added protection...

That's why thicker nugs grown under HID lights are covered in more trichs....

Well that's my theory at least..

CamperDon · 06-12-2009, 08:25 AM

Good morning,

Now, i've always been under the assumption that trich production was a direct relation to the UVB light plants recieved from the natural sunlight and also genetics of course..
Trichs were produced to protect the flower from the hot rays of the sun
example: use of an additional UVB light during the flowering stage of the plant.
Outdoors under the sun when I grew with "Natural" light on my back porch the Trainwreck triched over and became all sugery more so then the other strains I had of course I know this is mostly strain related but still, trichchome production was to protect the plant from the harmful rays of the sun.

Thanks for clearing this up for me - Have a Great day!
don

choader · 06-12-2009, 09:52 AM

Looooooooooouuuuuuuuuuuuuuu - you da man!! I'm so happy today!!

My clone has FINALLY shown roots. I took it from a plant that was about 10days into flowering, this was May 27. Followed your directions and this morning I saw the first root in the side of the cup.

That's about 2 weeks from cutting. The other clone still isn't showing and looks more beat up but is hanging in still. I fear I had issues with the stem being in contact with the soil so I pushed it down a bit about a week ago and put a tiny amount of water in the soil with a sprayer.

Thanks a ton bro!

Choader

**Lou Cypher** · 06-12-2009, 10:12 AM

Thats good news choader.

If you saw roots on the side of the cup today, means it started popping roots 2 days ago.
That will bring it to about 12-13 days from cutting...not bad at all.
Lets see the other one coming through.

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