Moto

Ok, so I have this incredible plant...and I am unsure how to keep her "going"
Here is the background: The plant is about 8 months old. About 3-4 weeks into it's 1st flowering (when I realized what I had...) I tried to clone her unsuccessfully--i had never done this before, only heard about it, and had not DISCOVEReD this site yet... (cuttings were dipped in a rooting solution, then placed in regular moist potting soil. Most of them lived (stayed green) for about a month, but NONE of them ever started actually growing--when I finally pulled them up (2-3 months later), they had only developed very tiny roots if any...) Ok. so anyway back to the plant....when it came time to harvest, I knew I wanted to try and get a "2nd one" (at least) out of her, so I left about 20-30% of the plant behind, switched back to a 20/4 light cycle....and....about a month later I started getting Veg growth again...NOW, the plant is nearly back to HER ORIGINAL SIZE and is/was growing like MAD....Having bad luck with cloning (and STILL not having DISCOVERED this site yet) I just decided to throw her in to a second harvest and go from there.....Um, whew, anybody still here...sorry if this has rambled...OK here's the question: My "old lady" is about 3 weeks into a second flowering (12/12)...this plant is really worth saving...what should I do? any suggestions? Should I just finish the flowering cycle (Having read around here a little I see that it is not generaaly "productive" to clone a flowering plant), then go for a 3rd! VEG cycle..with the sole intention of growing "good" cuttings/clones--is it possible to get cuttings/clones from a 3rd veg growth off a plant? Any assistance would be appreciated!

Anyway, I am new around here...this site is fascinating! What a resource! Thanks to everybody here!

out

Moto

Moto

Hey smokinrav,

I DID read your post (and the replys)--thanks a lot!
It's just that after my first experinece of trying to clone her during the flowering cycle I guess I am "twice shy"....Also, at the end of the day, would I actually be better off/get productive plants quicker (considering veg cuttings root much faster) if I finishing the flower cycle, and put her her back in to a veg state before cloning...that's assuming (above post) that you get acceptable clones from a 3rd generation plant....

finally, what are the pros and cons (IF ANY) of 3rd gen. cuttings...i.e do the plants display different characteristics then their mother, stunted growth, production, etc....??

thanks again

Moto

bgetting

I agree in that it isn't a great idea to take clones from the flowering plant, mostly because they take so long. You could do it though, and they may be back to veg and almost rooted by the time you harvest again.

Your troubles in cloning need to be fixed. if you haven't heard of it, there is a cloning solution called Olivia's Cloning Gel, you can get it on the internet if need be. I and a few friends have had a 100% cloning success rate since using this stuff. We use Olivia's, rockwool cubes, and keep the clones in a tupperware box under 24 hour fluorescent light until they root. Seems to work well.

wolfman

Don't think you should take your clones, for genetics that you want to preserve for a long time, of a plant that is nearly dead.

Reveging once may or may not work the plant is almost dead; twice is to risky and this way you may be damaging the pottencial of the plant.

Get your clones from a healthy female vegging and make them root; keep a clone mother vegging on 24/0 or 18/6 and flower her clones for life.
If you're capable of mantaining a healthy female plant vegging and to make the clones root, you should not fear pottency/taste/flavout... they will remain the same for life...


wolf

bgetting

There are ways to clone a plant using a few cells, taken from a region in the plant that is not differentiated for flowering. It's a *****, and it takes some specialized gear.(i.e. petri dishes, proper media, and some lab reagents) If you know a full blown botanist near you, and it is that important, give it a shot. It's hard, unreliable, and time consuming, but it is a way of building a genetic library without having a bunch of actively growing plants. E-mail if you want details.

Otherwise, I fully agree with Wolfman, he said it best

Moto

Thanks for your thoughts bgetting & wolfman....I really appreciate it--this is all pretty new to me....I have been going on poor mis-information, school of hard knocks lessons, and the like..BEFORE I found this site....I have this book from the seventies....it's laughable, no sad, no laughable, no sad compared to the info here....anyway, my learning curve is so steep right now I am going to have to do a little terracing I think...LOL

Wolfman...I am not sure I understand what you mean when you say.."not when the plant is almost dead," and "reveging the plant may or may not work the plant is almost dead: twice is risky and this way you may be damaging...." My plant is nowhere near "almost dead".... What happended was I reveged this plant after it's first flowering (leaving about 1/4 of it's branches and leaves--mostly lower), put it back on a 20/4 cycle about two months ago...it took about a month to "catch" but she has been "on fire" ever since...I am talking AGGRESSIVE vegitative growth...yeah, she ain't as good looking as she once was, but she IS about as BIG overall AS EVER....Anyway, about 3-4 weeks ago I put her back on a 12/12 to flower a second time (see above for why)...which she is doing nicely I might add....Anyway,...are you saying it is a bad idea to get cuttings/clones from her EVEN IF I get her back into a HEALTHY veg state again (3rd one of her life) . I feel very confident I can get another health veg out of her (SHE TOLD ME SO!!...LOL)...especially if I take a "gentle harvest" this time...like, I said, this is a very cool plant...as hearty as the bud is potent and tasty....Anyway, assuming I get a 3rd veg (very healthy) are clones feasible???

bgetting...
yeah, you're right....it really sounds like my cloning techniques could use a lot of work...I think that is/was 99% of my problem...I just heard about that Olivas stuff (on this site) and I plan on trying it next time....glad to hear you are getting such awesome results!! and THANKS for the other tips (rockwool, tupperware box etc..)what I used was some s**t called Roo-tone or rootone or something like that...anyway, I will get the right stuff and do some more reading here!!! before I do it the next time..I got a batch of "beta" plants planned for the spring, of which I will clone the best....

anyway, thanks again...I toke one up for the both of ya! Salute!

moto

wolfman

It’s a commun problem , there’s a lot of misinformation around the web…hope you can find the data you need around here, we are all ready to help the best way we can…
We always do, heehee.

A cannabis plant naturally will only have 1 life cycle; she germinates, veg, flower and dyes!!!

When you reveg a plant, she’s naturally ready do dye; you are changing the natural course of life…
In most cases, it works, but you’re already working near the limits, don’t push it to hard or it might damage your intencions; you can have a healthy plant or not from your next reveg…the question is, noone can say for shure…
In case you can get her healthy, there’s no reason for not to clone her, but you might have some loss, I don’t believe the plant will be able to give you the quality from your first times…
As you like her, give it a try…


wolf

bri

yeah...but i also broke lots of "rules" in my grow too...but had twice the yield anyone thought i'd get, and my cinderella99 finished at 41 days, (and I erred on the side of over-ripeness) when everyone (including the breeders!!!) say it's ready at 50 days.
my thinking is this...
you ARE dealing with genetics yes, but you are ALSO dealing with an individual (who happens to be a plant), and they are each sublety as variable from each other as we are from each other. some can handle being "old," some can't.

there are lots of ways to do anything. experiment. if you come up with something interesting, let us know...as with great leaps in evolution having mutation and isolation to thank, by not knowing something about growing may make a beautiful accident for us all. so i say vary, vary, vary.
of course, don't go mixing tomato seeds with tobacco seeds and adding plutonium (ala homer simpson's tomacco), but you get the point. until we have a plant that grows M&M sized balls of pure THC that you pick off the plant like apples, we all have to try new things.

my re-vegged plants were identical in potency to their moms...

peece

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kamikaze fly

If you want to preserve her, then clone her. Just take alot more clones than you think you will need. Although marijuana is naturally an annual, it can grow for years indefinitely if taken care of properly. I've cloned from flowering plants before but it takes much longer than from the vegetive stage. The problems with rooting straight in soil is that well, as a rooting medium, it sucks. Try vermiculite. I find it much better and easier to work with. As far as the plant dying......I don't think so. You can reveg a plant indefinitely (genetics permitting)just that it's individual vigor wanes unless you want to prune it back to healthy branches and the big secret is root pruning.


As far as genetic drift. I still think it's a bunch of hoopla. I can't fathom how a strain could become genetically inferior from the mother down the road if the genetics are identical. Taking cuttings from a cutting is not the same as making xerox copies (and we all know a copy of a copy gets more blurred).

Sorry, i hope I answered your question