budsniff

cranky i'm in a prone postion on the couch help i cant get up just sampled some of my last grow..but i could still understand your clone guide..very good job..simple and easy and your success rate is awesome...PEACE

DueInAdvance

Cranky, great guide.....I am going to try to take clones during my next cycle and had a question to you about when the best time to take them is. I will be buying clones formy next grow and intend to do two things (now that I have both a veg and flower room) 1) Take clones from the vegged clones 2)start some mothers

So again, when in the grow cycle is the best time to take clones from known female donors?

Thanks in advance

DIA

Whackmack

Watcha Cranky,
sounds you're from the homeland... good on you, good guide. Thought it was going to be complicated, got confused by all the hydroponsics and aquawatsits, then your guide looks like the one you'd find in a gardening journal. I've taken loads of cuttings from other plants, it's just going to be the same and easier than most. I overkilled the bondage on a trained plant and decapitated it. Plant's fine as it already had about 4 other main stems (Photo 1), and the stem has been alive and well in a glas of high PH tap water on the window-sill for a week. See photo 2: I'd like to grow it.
Q: Would you cut it off shorter? it's about 8 inches at the moment, and the stem's a bit thick.
Going to take some more cuttings off the beheaded plant tomorrow and have made two different set-ups for propagation. What do you think of them? Photo 3 is an idea for a greenhouse and scrog in one to avoid transplanting. I'll put three plants in there and cover it with plastic. Q: Why don't you give your cuttings air for the first couple of days? Was thinking of punching holes in the plastic, or investing in perforated plastic. High humidity will be no problem, but the temps around 62° F (won't get lower than that). Trouble is, if I heat then the humidity will do down. I guess they'll just take longer. I'll put mum's ballast next to it: that should heat wothout too much lose of moisture.
Q: Would my clones, however, prefer 3 X double 18W fluo strips, to the present 1 fluo and HPS 250W? Q: Could I maybe also use slightly clouded plastic to subdue the light?
Like to keep mum going as I haven't decided whether to flower her yet, or go for more clones in a month or so: she'll prefer the HPS.
The idea with the clone zone is that I take off the plastic when they've rooted (2 weeks?) and let them grow a couple of weeks up to the wire with maybe a little training and scrog them and then flower them. They'll be rootbound by the end, but not for long. It's about 6 inches deep, and there an short inch of clay pellets on the bottom. Might be better to plant them at an angle so they get more depth, if I'm going to train them anyway. Q: What d'you think?
Photo 4 is a cooler with a good inch covering off clay pellets on the bottom, with the pots on top, with their bottoms cut almost completely out, so I can water them from the bottom, pouring warm water with a bit of vinegar to stabilise the ph down the side. I already soaked it so the soil will draw up water from the bottom and not compact too much. Soil is normal garden centre trash, about 60% peat/40% compost, with about 30% perlite and a small amount of worm castings. I'll cover the cooler with clingfilm and punch some holes it. The pellets already expanded quite a bit and I guess they'll insulate even better.
Q: Will keeping them watered from below create more humidity? Can I overdo it with the water that way? I reckon probably no ferts., maybe a bit of blood, all the way through, or what do you think?

Bring back the hippies, I'll second that!
Cheers, Whackmack

P.S. Forgot the title Q: I already took the fan leaves off the botom of the shoots to be cut, but should I rub the bud growth off too? Certainly if it would be under the earth, I guess: would you then dust a bit of powder on the wound before planting?

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cranky

but i been on a short breakaway...

budsniff ,cheers dude and thanks for stoppin by...

DueInAdvance ,
well...the time i take my cuttings is normaly just brfore i put a plant into 12/12....if they aint showed thier sex by then...alls cool.....the mum will soon ....if male, toss both the parent and the clone.....only if ya not gonna use the males though.......

Whackmack,
right welll first off....thanks for the kind words bro.....mighty fine compact plant ya have there...is it vegging or flowering...if flowering then its gonna take longer as its goto revegg....

and as for the big cutting....no reason why it wont root,,,may take longer like.
not sure 100% how it will turn out or how long as i aint taken a cutting that big before....

as for the last 2 pics....all i can see is probs...rootbound....always best rooting in smaller pots then tranplsnt when they need to....they will thank you alot more this way me thinks......but hay.....that ones upto you bro....

sorry i cant be much more help....like i said...just goto back from a breakaway and i have had to take the day off as im fellling that ****ty after it...so me heads abit cloudy at te mo.....if any thing else pops into me head then ill let yas know....

right then peeps....i got some k2 cuttings to take later....will monitor their proggress in here.....will be doing it the dummy way.......will get some pics up in abit....

take care all

sorry to take so long to reply

cranky

cranky

well folks.....i was'nt able to take pics and what not to monitor the clones progress like i said i was going to do as i have been busy getting me new buisness up and running........but....

i have got a few pics to show yas....this time i took 15 cuttings....

5 x bb
5 x k2
5 x sk#1 x bb

but put them all in the same tray like....this is the lazzy arse way....so now we have cloneing for dummies and cloning for the lazy arses

basicly... its all done the same way as the dummy guide but round about the 10th day,if theres no roots showing at the bottom of the tray through the holes,i will just pull one out to take alook....

in this case i couldnt see any any roots at the bottom of the tray so i pulled one....and yep....we have roots.....this is the time i like to catch them....this way they got enough roots to be repotted and not enough to get tangled up with the other cuttings....all you do is softly loosen the soil up with a knife,then push the knife softly under the clone and it should just pop out without any probs...if not then just loosen the soil up a little more....

all ya need to do then is pot them up how lazy's that aye

pic 1 is when the cuttings were just planted up for rooting.



hope this helps some....if ya have any q.'s.....fire away

cranky

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Whackmack

...what's your soil mix, looking quite nicely dry and fluffy when you're ekeing those roots out? Leads me to a Q: how wet do you make the soil when your sticking the clones? I made one lot quite wet and one lot less wet. The second lot drooped after a few days as soil too dry, so I watered them lightly and thney were to first to get roots. The others that took longer looked brilliant all the way through. Makes me think a droopy clone is not necessarily a bad clone. I did your tray thing sort of by accident, and had to transplant. Next Q: do you lever your plants with just roots and no soil out to transplant them? Is there some advantage in the transplant kick-off after that, rather than transpanting with a wedge of soil around the roots?

Every time I feel weak and feeble I log on and look at your .gif sign for a while, does me a power of good. Bet you actually look like that!
Cheers, Whackmack

cranky

hiWhackmack ,
well mate...i water me soil until i get some run off......i normally dont water again until they get transplanted.....and as for soil mix...i just use a peat based potting soil....its just somit ive stuck to.....and as for getting them out....sometimes they come out with soil on somtimes the soil just falls off....either way i dont think it makes any diff when transplanting....


noooo...that guy in the avator is better looking than me

stay cool bro...

cranky

Mr Burns

Well Cranky, what a dude you are. What a well layed out piece of information that comes across as the map for a safe crossing.

Cranky did you learn this through the love of MJ or do you have any horticultural experience? I think youv'e lived in a green fingered enviroment prior to indoor and I only say this because I recognize how well you detatch yourself from the plants. People think the woman who tends her front lawn and shrubs every single day has the 'good husbandry' skills you mention. Well that's b*llocks. The reason she's out there is she's bored sh*tless at being retired and watching her husband dribble. If she was that good a grower she's detatch herself from it and have a life. (or sit next to hubby with a cloth?)
Thats what I see in your guide is detatchment. Many people scrolling down to the picture of the clone being uprooted will have been shocked and diss-mayed at the sight of a girl with no pants on, but you're doing it how horticulture works. It's a difficult one to get across to the majority this detatchment and maybe this comes across a little distant, but it's an important part of growing outdoors so must be so indoors? Indoors I find the attatchment stronger but the bouts of freedom I'm getting not having had any major dilemma's makes the 'intense' moments all the more worthwhile and easier to educate myself on?
Another thing is the rooting powder. From hedging to flowers I can't remember my last cutting failure with powder so... whats the 'rooting fandango super dip' stuff all about? I was given a bottle of 'Roota' that sits above me now and I look at it with a glare of distain from time to time. (I'm not sure whether this is a valid argument or I'm getting older? No dribble yet though) So I'm sticking to powder. It's what grandma would have wanted before falling into the tree bark chipper.

You've probably got the gist I like your style Cranky and if some find it a little rogue I say ......."roll yer sleaves up"......

Burns.

Whackmack

... as I just wrote you a post and thought, hell, forgot to write: for clones call Cranky. And here you are already: that's telepathy. And realising yourself some of what I just wrote you. Anyway, I say HearHear to your honourable declarations of admiration. Note I say honourable, and you'll understand why you like Cranky's Guide as much as I do. If I'm not much mistaken, we can set up a old gents. club here somewhere in the virtual Green and Pleasant. Your club, Cranky, what's the rules? Tie? No spitting? Crossdressing optional tuesdays? Or just a fat fugging joint job, a Stones album and no holds barred?

Thanks for the feedback. You're right with the roots: I dropped one today transplanting it so it got nude and smashed, didn't bat an eyelid. I've got 100% success with 12 clones, with powder (your grandma was right, Mr. B), and the babes are now kicking ball under the lamps. Rooting time was 2 to 3.5 weeks. Seems long -- temps were down, 60-65° ca., reckon that's why. The fastest to root and by far the most vigorous now are the ones that wilted on day 3 from drying out. The ones in the back of the pic. I suppose that makes sense: the little oinks are just going to sit there in limbo until they get the message: grow or die!

Going to try air layering next time round.
Thanks Cranky, mate, I'll catch up on you round the site, and check back here to see how yer fan club's grown! Pull yer sleeves up!

Cheers, Whackmack

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bigred6703

hey cranky, hows it going? Thanks for the easy guide man. i gave it a try about 3 weeks ago. the clones look like they are all just starting to grow again, and i pulled one out and there was a tiny root forming . This was my first time cloning and it has worked, so thanks a lot man.
got a question though. when do you start feeding them?

thanks for the help cranky!

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