kushBhydro

ok experienced posters:P i did something CRAZY to my ONLY plant recently... and i thought id let out the tip if it actually works, in an issue of high times, theres an article that involves twisting your flowering plants stem almost a full 360 degrees until you hear a loud 'snap' (sound of a pencil breaking) then immediately releasing the stem so it spins back into place, visually unharmed no leaning ('less your buds are already huge)... thus triggering something in the plant to make it repair the main stalk resulting in a larger stalk and larger more resinous buds.. if you arent into experimenting, dont try this:P it's dangerous, almost **** my pants when i heard the snap, but after releasing and having it twist back into place it was the feeling of winning a gold medal at the olympics:P anyway, my question is... has anyone EVER done this with good results? does it indeed make your buds bigger? sounds logical to me. any/all replies greatly appreciated. btw: long time no post. feels kinda good to be browsing through these forums again.. :P

-kush

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lilbuddie

I believe you are talking abotu supercropping

I read the same issue where they covered the method used by NYPD. I believe he posts over at ADPC. I recall reading some of his posts there.

The method he uses has been used previously by other normal growers with reported success. So I don't see why it wouldn't work. I have never used that method but it is on the list of things I want to play around with ....

Keep us informed on your progress

LB

kushBhydro

thx for the reply LB.. sounds like a step in the right direction. welp, i twisted it about a week ago.. no visual signs of shocking the plant. (still shootin' for the sky) stalk is noticably wider, maybe about a 1/4" .. when i snapped it my nugs weren't full at all, small in diameter barely any crystals but alot of pistils... about 1 month into flowering.. assumed normal as this plant hasnt been topped, only planted a lil later in the season outdoors, around late june early aug.. already 4 feet tall. but, since twisting, my top cola actually looks like a cola, nice n full, about 5 inches long, nugs still arent very resinous, and 100% of the pistils still havent changed color.. so i expect it to flower for at least another month. this plant is nothing special, no 'brand name' to it.. just a baggy seed from one of the 'not so great' bomb sacks i've come across.. although planted late in the season, it's nugs are bigger than my master kush plant which was planted a month before this one was.. although the kush has 10+ growing TOPS :P someone went krazee with scissors. ill post on this topic after i harvest.. let you know what the twist plant yields.. (keep in mind it's my very first plant to make it this far besides the master kush with the 10 tops.:P) so i have nothing 'original' to compare it to.

-kush

Skywalker

I saw the same article in HT. I'm not so sure about it. Some of the tips in HT are good and some suck. I wouldn't use that myself until I heard from a number of growers about it. I can't for the life of me see how damaging the plant will make it grow bigger buds. This sounds like the rumor you hear sometimes that if you top the plant you will get a bigger harvest. Topping doesn't hurt but you don't get any bigger harvest. Maybe this doesn't hurt but that doesn't mean it's worth doing. I'm not saying it doesn't work, I don't know if it does or not. I'm saying don't everybody rush out and break all your stems thinking it will grow like mad. What the heck... go ahead and do it. I'll sit back and watch:-)

GntlmnLsr

I think this is a 'good' technique because of its similarity to stem stressing by using a fan indoors. I have tried it on my males to get the motion down before I start using it on my females and it does not seem overly harsh. I plan on doing a test run next batch of clones I do but that might be quite a while (I just started hydro growing and am getting that process down before I planting commercial genetics and actually grow a clone crop)

highonline

Hello all.

I have done ths with my last batch, it did not hurt the plants, my theory is that by doing this, you force the plant to grow bigger stems, and with bigger stems the plant will need more nutes and water to keep her going, resuling in a stronger plant with BIGGER BUDS, the downfall is that while the plant regenerates itself, the growth is slowed down for a few days.

My thaught is that if your well equiped in light ex: 400+w HPS, the healing process is much faster and snaping the branches would be a good idea, with smaller light this might set you back a few weeks and harm you total yield.

I read in the post that topping will not affect the total yield, not so, by my experience, i found that it results in more but smaller buds. What do you prefer, 1 big bud, or a **** pile of smaller ones? You have to crush them to smoke'em.

Thaughts?

robyoung

I once grew a huge plant in the bush, stealth style.

I tied the plant down, to cause it to branch upwards.
As those side branches got bigger, I teid those down aswell.
Then the braches from those tied down grew upward again, and so it went on, for 8 months.

I planted that seed on the first day of spring, I havested it 8 months later [maybe 9].
It was the biggest plant I have ever grown or seen grow.
It was covered in huge buds.
The biggest bud was one where, during all this tying down kaper was going on, I accidently snapped a branch.

From memory, it was about December, half way through that plant's life.
I broke it almost completely off the bush, it was just hanging by a thread.

I had some twisty ties with me {plastic coated wires for garbage bags}.
I chose a couple little sticks, and after a lot of messing around, I splinted the branch back into place.

I didn't know how it would go, and the plant being as big as a family sedan, I didn't worry anyway.

The funny thing is, it turned out the biggest branch of buds, than anywhere else on that plant.

Anyway, I just thought I would mention it.
But I think that doing it on purpose would be a brave move; for me at least.

rob

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ROOM4ME2001

Probably old news to those people who already know by now but I was just kindly pointed in the direction of this thread and that last post prompts me to comment how.....
one of my past plants was getting too tall and in danger of burning and the set up made it too much hassle to raise the light or lower the plant so I tried to bend the stem over and was a bit alarmed when it seemed to actually snap Well I'm sure you can all guess that what happened was that the branch survived and, in healing itself, grew back bigger and stronger than before. not quite the same as rotating the stem or branch but basically the same kind of thing.
I've been doing it routinely to plants ever since, helps to create a level plateau of budz all getting good light to them similar to tying down the heads to get upward branching (is that what SOG(=Sea of Green?)is/means? ) keeps them at the ideal height/distance from lights and after all -- What doesn't kill them just makes them stronger right ?
Try it, just don't break them right off and make sure the bark still connects and you may be surprised just how much rough treatment the girls can stand, they're probably a lot stronger than most of us tend to think. Bless 'em.
ROOM

spoonman

"supercropping" Ive tried indoors and found the stem gets wider only about an inch or so where it has been
twisted.I upgraded my fan power for my next grow and found that worked better for stronger stems (same strain) outdoors i dont have problem with thin stems but ive heard of people shakin thier plants to get larger stems and think that would proly be better for the plant because when i twisted the stem I noticed the plant almost stopped growing for 2 days instead of its usual 2" a day and as an added bonus of just increasing fan power indoors think
of how much more air (co2) is getting to the plant as long as you have some fresh air entering the room as for supercropping while plants are already budding i would think that would take away from bud growth as the plant has to put energy into repairing the stem which is why the stem gets widder but if you dont wanna increase air flow inside and have a weak steam problem it works well just in my experiance slows down veg growth and i would think bud growth depending on where in the growth cycle you are
just my .02
peace

spoonman

SOG is growing a bunch of smaller plants (clones work best) for the top cola yes if you do it correctly (treat all the plants the same and can get uniform even light coverage) they should all finish at the same time and size. But tying down branches thats a form of scrog (screen of green) but with out a screen ive tried scrog with a screan and by tying down branches i was able to keep the tied down plants shorter than the screened plants but i really liked my screened girls all lined up and so perfect wish i had a light mover as the buds in the middle of my 1000wt room were deffinatly bigger and denser than the ones towards the edge of the room
hope this helps
peace