dublove311

alright ive been trying to gather as much info on Scrog and Sog growing, and ive come up with like nothing... what i THINK i know about Scrog

-Keeps plants as short as youd like them to be
-ties down leaves so buds get more light
-uses a horizontal piece of screen to do this

and SOG i have no idea wtf the diffrence is or any of that, please help me out, if theres like a guide somewhere that i over looked or somthing help me out id like to know how to keep plants short.

also, do you yeild more? is there another purpose other then keeping them short and full of light? thanks

-DL

bobbooty

im a SoG guy, cant tell you much abt Scrog.

SoG:

-perpetual harvesting
-can have multi strains growing at same time
-no veg times in flowering room
-is very good for breeding (shortens the time between generations)
-easy canopy management
-uses horizontal space efficently

a guide on a SoG "how to" can be found here.

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dublove311

thanks for the direction on SoG, cloning is very scary to me though, i dont think i can handle doing that at this time, it seems like it would be very hard, although that style of growing is very ideal for what im looking for, stacked harvests and short plants, this is going to take some thinking, i still need to hear about scrog, if it will give me similar results without performing major surgery on a mother plant that might be the better route.

norm

hey dublove311,

I was scared of cloning before my first time. I took some males I was going to throw away and did some experimenting. Well it's nothing to be scared of. The method that worked best for me was using peat pots and potting soil. Just choose your cutting site about three or four inches from the tip. Carefully cut the big leaves off right where they meet the stem. Now, cut the stem just above the new growth and drop the cutting into water immediately. Now you've got a 3" or 4" stem with a cluster of small leaves at the top. Now, holding the stem under water slice off the end of the stem at a 45 degree angle. Gently pinch the end of the stem at the end to get a little air bubble out. Now, just poke it in a little hole in the soil about 5/8" deep and press the soil around it so it stands up. Put the clone in a cheap foam cooler. Stretch a piece of plastic over the top. Make some air holes. Oh I forgot, water them well. Spray'em down with a mister daily so the soil stays really wet. I keep my clones in the veg room with a piece of cardboard partly covering the cooler so they're in the shade. In about three weeks they're ready to go into real pots.

Disclaimer: Some strains are more sensitive to cloning. Your mileage may vary.

If you do any of these things a little different your clones will prolly be fine. Mistake I made was, I didn't give them enough water and they shriveled and layed down dead. But then I watered the hell out of'em and they came back to life. So don't trip on it. Anyone can do it.

SCROG method is for small space growing. Especially when height is restricted. When the plants are put to 12/12 they stretch like hell and a wire screen is used to restrict virtical growth. The branches are continually pulled back under the screen as they try to grow upward. A canopy is created and after about three weeks of 12/12 you leave them alone and the buds grow up from the screen so the whole profile can be kept at a manageable level.


Two must see SCROG links:

http://www.gardenscure.com/420/showthread.php?t=89405

http://www.gardenscure.com/420/showthread.php?t=88719

good luck,

norm

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dublove311

thanks, i feel a little more confident in cloneing, it looks as if i can keep a plant as short as i want with Scrog which makes me want to try it asap

dublove311

the cab im thinking about putting together is 17x15x25H, i want to experiment with Northern lights, with Scrog. ill most likely use my 42 watt floro along with my 25 watt fluro, i have another 15 laying around if i think i need it but heat is going to be a pain for me.

i originaly decided to set this cab up for about 4 lowryders, but im having trouble getting ahold of the seeds for right now.

do you think if i vegged for a very short period that id be able to do this grow with a positive outcome? from what i hear, you can throw alot of abuse at NL.

norm

17x15x25H----->sheesh! that's really small!

heat is going to be a pain for me.
Won't the cab have ventilation?

i originaly decided to set this cab up for about 4 lowryders
Four plants in there, Are you serious?

do you think if i vegged for a very short period that id be able to do this grow with a positive outcome?
no

you can throw alot of abuse at NL.
That would depend on how you define "a lot of abuse".

Dude, I'm not trying to take the wind out of your sails, but you're starting yourself off with a huge handicap. You're setting yourself up for a let-down. I haven't found any success stories of grows like you're describing.

sorry for being harsh,

norm

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dublove311

are u familiar with the lowryder strain? 10-14 is the normal height and they are very aware of there surroundings.

i have experiance in growing in tight place, my first grow was from bag seed in an 8x8x32 sub woofer speaker box, with half of each sub in place.

only managed about 5 grams but that was due to pot size (when i took the dirt out it looked to be more tightly packed swirly roots then dirt.)

and this is totaly an experiment, i was looking at that guys SCROG grow and he had a 16x16 screen, with the same ammount of height for grow space as me, thats not far off from how much space im going to have... a little tighter, less ventalated (1 computer fan and exhust vent).

so i cant imagine having that bad of an outcome with it, maby so, i guess ill just have to find out.

norm

only managed about 5 grams but that was due to pot size (when i took the dirt out it looked to be more tightly packed swirly roots then dirt.)--That's one problem.

Look, I'm down with the whole "micro grow" attitude. I even plan to experiment with it soon. But the only way I can see this thing working with anything but lowrider is to grow a mother to maturity and then take a few clones off her. Throw the mother away as you won't have room for her. Maybe the clones will show new growth in 4-6wks if you're lucky. Then put them on 12/12 and scrog'm. [i]That[i] idea has remote possibilities. Two such cabs (one for the mother one for flowering) would help. A third for clones (could be even smaller) would be nice. Then you'ld have a perpetual SOG going.

If you can get the lowrider it would be ideal. Otherwise I would'nt spend any money on [i]gourmet[i] genetics. You would be risking getting caught by customs or worse for an outcome of possibly 5g?

Keep us up to date,

norm

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NewGrowth

Hi dub its good to see you are interested in two of my favorite strains. NL is an older strain and has been around for a while so you will find that they tend to be pretty hardy and consistent plants. Don't pay to much for NL seeds though I bought some from sensi and some from nirvana once and there was little difference except for the price. I would not reccomend a short veg cycle you will be much happier if you wait for alternating nodes.
I like to grow lowryders as an "in-between" strain they are reliable autoflowering (so I can put them with other plants that I want to keep vegging) and can take some punishment if things go wrong. Lowryders are not really bred for yeild so I would not expect more than an 1oz per plant unless you can provide really great conditions and plenty of space. These plants have no veg phase so the end result is very dependent on the first 2-3 weeks of growth after that they start showing sex (be prepared for males! If you want two females plant 4 plants). For faster results with lowryders go with a 18hr light cycle as they tend to start flowering a few days earlier as compared with a 24hr cycle. With the space and lights you are talking about lowryders are probably your best bet but like a few others said don't expect to much.
Good luck and keep us updated!-NG

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