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Old 02-13-2009, 08:39 AM   #111
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I have recently been looking about some emergency preparedness websites looking for homesteading, long term camping, shtf type scenarios, building shelters and what to have in a bug out bag when you have to hit the road when the big one hits.
The only time I could entertain having a firearm is if my economic situation got alot worse and I needed to campout for a while in some desolate area because my financial resources dwindled. I certainly wouldnt want to get jacked if I became homeless. Anotherwords if I had to sleep in the great outdoors having a handgun would certainly be needed. Wouldnt go to the FEMA center as directed when or if that day should come.
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all my guns are loaded and placed around for easy access. having said that, i am able to defend myself against anything without them, with the exception of a speeding bullet.
sad to say but my shadow dog (she followed me everywhere), went missing couple months ago. didn't realize i was so attached to her and it hurt a lot. i don't like the emotional pain of the loss and may not get another one for some time.
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it wont kill ya but if you have ever been hit close range with one of those, imagine like 50 or so coming your way

guess its better then nothing
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it wont kill ya but if you have ever been hit close range with one of those, imagine like 50 or so coming your way

guess its better then nothing
ouch. no protection in the face, gun or no gun, that dude would be on the ground and probably think he got shot for real. lol

then beat him with it.
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Guns/weapons have no place in schools. What's shocking to me,
is that the stats for San Francisco are below the national average.

Who or what is to blame for kids carrying weapons at school?

I grew up in suburban communities, always near military bases, and
I saw a knife, once...

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Hundreds went to class armed, S.F. study finds

Jill Tucker, Chronicle Staff Writer

Friday, February 13, 2009

(02-12) 20:22 PST -- Nearly 900 San Francisco middle and high school students said they had carried a gun to school at least once last year, most of them saying they had done so four or more times, according to the most comprehensive district survey on school safety and climate.

In addition to the gun tallies, 1,767 students reported bringing another kind of weapon - a knife or club, for example - during the same time frame.

That's 4 percent and 8 percent respectively of the survey respondents, rates slightly below national trends, according to district officials.

About 21,000 students (out of 28,000 enrolled) participated in the middle and high school safety surveys, and their answers seemed to validate previous results from surveys that relied on much smaller sample sizes and statistical extrapolation.

But the raw numbers brought home the daily reality of guns and other alarming conditions in the city's middle and high schools.

"I don't think any principal here can deny ... that everyday there's got to be a gun on campus and we just don't know," said Guillermo Morales, principal of Thurgood Marshall Academic High School. "I would be very naive to say we don't have that problem here."

Morales said one gun has been confiscated at his school this year.

School officials said that while some of the numbers are indeed alarming, school safety is not an isolated issue. Students often bring weapons or guns in their backpacks or pockets because they feel unsafe on their way to and from school, Morales said.

"It's not because the kid has an incident here at school, it's because they have to get on a bus and get back to Hunters Point at night," Morales said. "I have kids who will stay here until 7, 8, 9 at night in the hope that someone, a teacher or someone, will give them a ride home so they don't have to get on the bus and go home."

While the survey results were available in the fall, district officials kept them off the public's radar until Wednesday, when they posted summary reports in the Student Support Services section of the district's Web site.

"This was already data we had," said Trish Bascom, associate superintendent of Student Support Services, adding that the district took time to check accuracy. Bascom said the district has many programs that decrease weapons in schools and raise awareness of safety.

The survey, conducted by ETR Associates of Scotts Valley in the 2007-08 school year, gives San Francisco school officials a depth of information they've never had before - statistics and raw numbers for each school site.

That information wasn't released with the summary reports.

District officials said they haven't provided that data because the response rate wasn't high enough at some of the schools to accurately reflect the students' opinions at those sites.

Based on prior state and national survey samples, San Francisco is not alone in grappling with safety concerns; districts across the state and country face similar issues at comparable rates.

"It's disturbing, but it's important information for us to have," said school board member Jill Wynns. "It gives much more information about the reality of kids' lives."

The new comprehensive survey asked students dozens of questions, including many from a biannual statewide school safety questionnaire.

According to the survey:

-- 455 middle school students (6 percent) and 923 high school students (7 percent) said they were gang members.

-- More than half of the 21,000 respondents said they don't feel teachers and staff keep them safe from bullying, verbal harassment or physical violence in the classroom.

-- 630 middle school students (8 percent) and 1,132 high school students (9 percent) said they didn't go to school at least once in the previous 30 days because they didn't feel safe.

-- 60 percent of students felt safe or very safe at school.

District discipline policies require automatic suspension and a referral for expulsion for any student who brings a firearm or replica to school. Carrying a knife is grounds for suspension and possible expulsion, officials said.

Elementary school students in the fifth grade were included in the latest survey, but the response rate and required parental permission numbers were too low to accurately reflect the opinions of fifth-graders across the district, officials said.
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12 GAUGE Remington MODIFIED WITH EXTRA SHELL HOLDER AND CATCHER(ILLEGAL) AND PISTOL GRIPS ARMOR PIERCING ROUNDS AND EXPLODING SHELLS? .....OOOOH AND THE RANDOM BASEBALL BAT?But knock on wood everything`s different when guns in the us are involved
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Guns/weapons have no place in schools. What's shocking to me,
is that the stats for San Francisco are below the national average.

Who or what is to blame for kids carrying weapons at school?

I grew up in suburban communities, always near military bases, and
I saw a knife, once...
well its not the gun control laws that are to blame, canada has more lax laws than we do and theres plenty of guns up there I believe. They have many many less firearm related deaths, so whats up?

Its borderline propaganda like what you've quoted, thats going to get stricter gun control legislation passed like H.R. 45 They're creating this big schpeal about some stupid stimulus plan while they pass more gun legislation in the shadows. Now I might not own a gun, but that doesn't mean I agree with more gun restrictions. Most gun related deaths are caused by illegal firearms anyway, so what difference does controlling the legitamate gun owners have? Absolutely none. In fact it means that less people will legitamately own guns, leaving more room for the illegal firearms to do more damage.

Gun owners should be up in arms about this new legislation; litterally. I don't even own a gun but its pissing me off too. I don't like anything that fucks with the constitution, and this is tearing it to pieces. They're requiring registration on all guns, even antiques, every 5 years. Putting limitations on transferring guns, prohibiting keeping loaded firearms, or even guns & ammunition together... with hefty penalties of up to 10 years jail time for violating these regulations. My theory is they're complying a list of everyone who has a gun so when it comes time to haul us off to the FEMA camps, they'll know who has what guns already. It has nothing to do with "protecting the kids" If they actually wanted to do that they'd hire better schoolteachers, drug education, and provide better transportation to & from school, pumping money into education rather than giving everyone a phony stimulus check


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Hundreds went to class armed, S.F. study finds

Jill Tucker, Chronicle Staff Writer

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(02-12) 20:22 PST -- Nearly 900 San Francisco middle and high school students said they had carried a gun to school at least once last year, most of them saying they had done so four or more times, according to the most comprehensive district survey on school safety and climate.

In addition to the gun tallies, 1,767 students reported bringing another kind of weapon - a knife or club, for example - during the same time frame.

That's 4 percent and 8 percent respectively of the survey respondents, rates slightly below national trends, according to district officials.

About 21,000 students (out of 28,000 enrolled) participated in the middle and high school safety surveys, and their answers seemed to validate previous results from surveys that relied on much smaller sample sizes and statistical extrapolation.

But the raw numbers brought home the daily reality of guns and other alarming conditions in the city's middle and high schools.

"I don't think any principal here can deny ... that everyday there's got to be a gun on campus and we just don't know," said Guillermo Morales, principal of Thurgood Marshall Academic High School. "I would be very naive to say we don't have that problem here."

Morales said one gun has been confiscated at his school this year.

School officials said that while some of the numbers are indeed alarming, school safety is not an isolated issue. Students often bring weapons or guns in their backpacks or pockets because they feel unsafe on their way to and from school, Morales said.

"It's not because the kid has an incident here at school, it's because they have to get on a bus and get back to Hunters Point at night," Morales said. "I have kids who will stay here until 7, 8, 9 at night in the hope that someone, a teacher or someone, will give them a ride home so they don't have to get on the bus and go home."

While the survey results were available in the fall, district officials kept them off the public's radar until Wednesday, when they posted summary reports in the Student Support Services section of the district's Web site.

"This was already data we had," said Trish Bascom, associate superintendent of Student Support Services, adding that the district took time to check accuracy. Bascom said the district has many programs that decrease weapons in schools and raise awareness of safety.

The survey, conducted by ETR Associates of Scotts Valley in the 2007-08 school year, gives San Francisco school officials a depth of information they've never had before - statistics and raw numbers for each school site.

That information wasn't released with the summary reports.

District officials said they haven't provided that data because the response rate wasn't high enough at some of the schools to accurately reflect the students' opinions at those sites.

Based on prior state and national survey samples, San Francisco is not alone in grappling with safety concerns; districts across the state and country face similar issues at comparable rates.

"It's disturbing, but it's important information for us to have," said school board member Jill Wynns. "It gives much more information about the reality of kids' lives."

The new comprehensive survey asked students dozens of questions, including many from a biannual statewide school safety questionnaire.

According to the survey:

-- 455 middle school students (6 percent) and 923 high school students (7 percent) said they were gang members.

-- More than half of the 21,000 respondents said they don't feel teachers and staff keep them safe from bullying, verbal harassment or physical violence in the classroom.

-- 630 middle school students (8 percent) and 1,132 high school students (9 percent) said they didn't go to school at least once in the previous 30 days because they didn't feel safe.

-- 60 percent of students felt safe or very safe at school.

District discipline policies require automatic suspension and a referral for expulsion for any student who brings a firearm or replica to school. Carrying a knife is grounds for suspension and possible expulsion, officials said.

Elementary school students in the fifth grade were included in the latest survey, but the response rate and required parental permission numbers were too low to accurately reflect the opinions of fifth-graders across the district, officials said.
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Propaganda in the article aside... I don't care where the guns come from, whether they are legal or illegal guns - they.don't.belong.in.schools.
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