GreenDragon2k

I agree with that 200%. My point was that articles like that are usually pushing for more gun legislation (or are cited to support more gun legislation) which is completely the wrong solution, and is only further destroying our constitution.

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Hysteria and propaganda only serve to take guns from lawful abiding citizens.

Having been a teacher in an inner city school and having been attacked
and threatened while not being allowed to defend myself makes me
particularly touchy with the subjects of children carrying weapons to
school.

As an aside this also indicates they are carrying weapons to and from
school, often long distance on harrowing public transit or communities
where they will be challenged.

It's my opinion that these children are not sanctioned to do this by
their parents. Which could mean with no supervision or instruction,
there is no safety.

Safety first.

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When i went to school, 7th&8th grade. ALL students had to take the "Hunters Safety" class and get a Hunters Safety Card, not a "hunting liscense". There was even a field trip to the local gun range where all students demonstrated they knew how to use the firearm in a SAFE manner and then we each got to shoot 50 rounds from a .22 rifle.

Yes, this was late 70's, but then, Parents raised there own children then, NOT like todays Daycare generation. No one will raise my child but me and his mother.

mattdreads

just to clarify, I would be perfectly happy if guns were never created

but

we live in a world where they exsist. you'll never get all the guns from everyone. the ones the register their weapons are not the ones you need worry about. not many people are going to sign their name on a gun and then go pop someone. (unless the person getting popped reeeeally deserved it )

I agree with both sides, they don't belong in schools, but by trying to completely remove it from your everyday life, and still being surrounded by people that use it in a negative way, people are forced to hear and see nothing but bad from guns.

you don't hear about the teacher that had a peice in his car and stopped an 8th grader from shooting up his school becasue of it. yes he shot the child. I would have as well if I saw a kid walking into a school with an Uzi.

if you take all the guns away, you're still left with the guns that "don't exsist" and what are the people that want to be legal suppose to do then? then it's really goin gto go to shit, because at least now everyone that wants to use a gun to rob, or whatever, still has it in the back of their head: "maybe this dude has a sawed off stuck up my nose the second I walk through this door."

take that away and people with the guns will walk where and do as they pease. imho

I think it shouldn't be taken away, but indeed rather made part of a regular curriculum. get people accustom to guns, so it's not a strange thing, and doesn't always have to be related with death and wrong. some of the nicest memories with my dad were shooting his .22 and his handgun as a kid. I was taught respect for weapons.

take something away from humans, and we'll fight back for it. give it to us in excess, and it seems to just become accepted as the norm.

look at the dark ages when they tryed to take the bible. people were slaughtered for it, and yet they couldn't take it from the people. now everywhere you go you can find a bible and now how important is the bible to the world? next to no one thinks a thing of it.

not many people I know that would lay down and die for it. and especially not sacrifice their own child for it. but if you were try to take it away from people, it would become that again.

teach people the proper way, and I think you'll end up with a better result for it long term. taking it away is not the solution in my opinion.

nark-o

yo MATTDREADS.....just wondering whats the gun laws where you at over there?

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mattdreads

yo

no one has them, except the cops. and certain people are allowed certain rifles if you belong to a club. it's a very very difficult a legnthy, plus expensive process to be able to have a weapon, and it will never be anything but a rifle.

they're still allowed to hunt certain birds with permission one week of the year or something like that.

gun violence is a rare happening here, when it does happen it's huge news, even if it happens on the other side of the country. and accidents with guns, I've not heard of one case in the 5 years I've lived here.

but, from another standpoint, when people get robbed at gunpoint, they're fucked. and the there have been cases of people being robbed and shot just to not leave witnesses. especially ganja farms growing for coffeeshops.

walk in, cap cap, walk out with 80+ k worth of sand at the beach.

and just as easy to get rid of

but, again, it's rare. very rare.

the next question is...is that because of the gun laws or is it because the dutch and europe are a different race? americans are just a much more aggressive race. so were the native americans who we bred with when we came from england.

are americans just naturally more violent? they're certainly more naturally dramatic as a whole. I'm not saying individually, so don't take offence. if the shoe fits wear it, but it's been my observation that america as a whole has a different mind set when it comes to handling things.

I've got to go feed my daughter, so I had to cut this short. probably a good thing

peace

Groovy

Guns aren't rocket science! Most anyone with some metal shop skills and knowledge of how they work can make one, and when they become illegal to own, they will be on the black market like everything else that is not legal. I knew someone years ago that made a .410 concealed nightstick on a lathe. It's pretty simple as is reloading used shells. When this is a criminal activity it will only be criminals that are armed--that's not too good if like me, you happen to live 45 miles down a dirt road from any kind of law enforcement--you mind as well call 911 and tell them to send a hearse.

I've got to think that there are way more sane people on this earth than loonies, so say for example at someplace like Virginia Tech, or the mall in Omaha, where people were restricted from carrying guns, they would of been required to carry instead, I expect somebody would have shot the loonies before so much damage had been caused--oh like what happened at the church in Colorado--thank goodness for armed parishioners.

Our rights are not something that are given to us by the government, they are inalienable. They always belonged to us even before there was a government and they are not the governments to even barter with. It's the only power a government even has when you think about it, is how many restrictions on what was already ours they can get away with.

I'm really sorry they got their claws into good ol' weed, but it's really the same deal underneath, not only are they afraid of people who can think for themselves, but they're not to high on the ones who can defend themselves either, for the same reasons. What they really need is just a few more excuses to lock otherwise law abiding citizens up and impose their will. Ayn Rand nails this whole debate in Atlas Shrugged as well as what is happening to our economy and many other modern problems for you objectivist thinkers.

Sorry, been here a day and climbed on a soap box already

LotusX

I plan on owning guns myself, though I'm for a waiting period and mandatory gun registration (none this "gun show" loophole nonesense-this makes no sense. Either make registration mandatory or don't even bother with it at all) I will probably keep my guns loaded and within arms reach. I

That said, if you are growing pot and you get busted and have a gun, expect no leniency, and expect possible extended sentences.

Also, keeping loaded guns around within reach of toddlers is downright foolish.

JointVenture

16596 .45 ACP+p 185 BJHP 1,140 534 25
and
76777 .45 ACP+P 185 JHP 1,150 543 20

first is the part number at sportmansguide.com

for my slick new Sig 1911 ...... similar to this, a GSR model blue stainless ... last years that i got at a good gun shop moving sale, 25 percent off

also picked up a S&W 460 revolver ... a freakin cannon!

hey, and did i mention i was going to Alaska in June? now i did

goin to catch some King salmon on the Kenia River



wow .. now i feel better.
guns relax me .. suppose thats why there are many more



jv

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Sso

here's a thought, uk and other places where guns are more restricted, you dont see as much *if any* gun violence.

*here its something that happens decades or more apart and then always minor, drunk husband shooting at cans or something*

and about protecting yourself from the tyranny of governments.... where have guns helped you there americans?

governments do as they wish, thats why they should be got rid of.

guns? well in my opinion, no one has the right to take anything away from anyone. but still, the logic behind the right to bear arms, is a bit silly. lets have more guns so we dont have problem with guns...

still, id rather have a gun if some folks invaded my home *too bad i cant do that to cops, not without fleeing to the mountains afterwards damn uniformed criminals*

and one always is reminded of hitler, first stripping away the guns from the people and then becoming a tyrant *albeit more or less a wanted tyrant by his people*