mSeTxOiNcEaRn

You know that kid that always wore the helmet elbow bads, knee pads and always ended up eating shit. This is the same way unless youre doing a 100 foot jump or youre growing with 50 - 10000W light, i wouldnt trip and save myself some cash.

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FuriousG

Without reading what anyone told you (sorry too many pages)

I recommend an IR blocker, available in most grow catalogs and online
this is the same one I'm looking at
Discount Hydroponics - Block-IR


And yes, your grow light is the target DEA and Police alike use to find and dismantle grow ops.

as a side note, your bills can reflect what you do as well. I.E electric

bobbooty

a warrant is required, for use of FLIR.

homeland security is interested in large weapon caches, not a little mj being grown.

if they are using FLIR on your house, or grow, you are already screwed. an investigation had already begun. it wont matter what you use to hide it with. only unless there is some way you have inside information of an impending raid on your grow, then you could just dismantle and remove the evidence before the raid even takes place.

most of your bills are also private, usually requiring a warrant to view them as well. depending on the governing entity of the utility company you are paying (state or private owned) they do not share information with the feds, without a warrant. utility bills alone, do not usually start an investigation, either.

the investigation usually starts with someone you know, or someone that is nosy enough to get into your business. someone that doesnt like you. it could be that grumpy elderly nosy neighbor, that watches you smoke pot on your porch, everyday. it could be that ex girfriend/boyfriend that you just pissed off the other day. this is how investigations start. someone complains to the local police something. then the investigation begins.

please read my "will my electricity use get me busted?" thread for more information.

http://www.gardenscure.com/420/secur...se-get-me.html

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bloomstrike

I started my first grow just over two weeks ago with the germination of 5 seedlings, im growing them in a closet but i am fast running out of usable space.

One poster mentioned smell, i was in a grow roon a few years back and was surprised how much the plants smell while flowering, i can smell that minty sort of smell from my plants already and its quite strong.I have to move my girls to the roof space very soon to get the extra space i need, i had intended to vent out through the space where the roof meets the upper wall.Would the odour/smell be that bad that my neighbour could detect it ? i guess what im really asking is do the scrubbers work well ? i would hate to fork out the money for something that does`nt do a first class job.

Everyone has mentioned the risk of LEO, well ill tell you this story about taking risks, a young guy decided to sell and he was paying off someone to allow him to do so, well some other guys found out he was selling, he told them he was paying one of thier associates, the associate denied the regular pay off.The young seller was lured to a certain place were he was tortured and told he had to cough up a 5 figure sum or be shot, he did`nt have it, he went home, wrote a note about the torture and extortion then proceeded to hang himself.This is the risk i run, even for personal use ! if i get busted then bailed i will get a visit, a demand for money and termed a drug dealer, i would also go through with the same situation that happened to the young lad.Needless to say im am very nervous and afraid, i dare not even say what country i live in but, its hell on earth as far as im concerned, it takes away from the joy that i think i would get from any sort of grow.I know a couple of other novice growers, maybe they are like me, i would love the satisfaction of knowing i done a good job, i know my son will tell me if i have or not as im still doing the whitey bit followed by chucking up and maybe mixed in with passing out .
Guys im sorry for going on so much, as i mentioned above it takes away from the joy and challenge of growing, i have`nt been this excited in a long time so please any good advice would be appreciated, i know lesson number one is never sell.

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bobbooty

that is very unfortunate for the person in that selling story. i know that some people cannot grow it, for one reason or another, so they have to buy it, therefore someone is going to be selling it, somewhere. i dont think selling it, is the problem. it is like any other medicine or drug. if the insurance companies would pay for the medicine like they should, this "selling" thing wouldn't be an issue.

as far as smell goes, that depends on who smells it. depends on the sniffer. carbon scrubbers do work. the money is well spent on carbon scrubbers, for people that need to cut the smell down.

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bloomstrike

I think ill invest in an air scrubber just for the peace of mind, worst problem maybe a very nosey old neighbour who always has her pig ugly face stuck to the window even into the early hours.

Makes you kinda want to move to Holland

Well i hope everyone here enjoys thier grow and not jumping like a jack in the box everytime the door knocks ! peace to all

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FuriousG

This is true, what I meant is that often informants will be some of the same people who check your meters, or that work on your house and over see stuff. I know that local police and local community enforcement is what gets small time growers popped, NIMBY(Not in my backyard stuff. I.E. perfect lil' neighborhood doesn't want a grow house on there block..Think of the children..

DEA's radar is anything over 100 plants, anything smaller is a waste of valuable resources.

bobbooty

there is a grow house on the same block that mrs b and i live on. its the "big blue house" lol. everyone on the street knows they grow. the cops have been there several times, for other issues unrelated to the grow, i think they had their house broken into, or car. the electric company was out on the street once, and they came outside, all curious and stuff. mrs b talked to the electrical dude, and he said "yes, i know that "big blue" house is growing marijuana. pg and e dont care about that. as long as the bill is paid and there is no electricity stolen, we just dont care." he told her this. informing on a grow isnt profitable.

the 100 plant thing, as far as i know, is a mandatory minimum. for example, if a grower is found in a raid to have over 100 plants, the local enforcement agency handling the case would then have to bounce the case off the feds. if the feds are interested, they will take over the case. if they are not, they will just tell the state they are not interested, and the state will handle it from there. its a different story, if the feds are involved from the beginning. it is very likely there are more then 100 plants involved.

in my area of the country, seems to be, around 1000 plants and the feds like to get involved. anything else less then that, is nothing.

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mSeTxOiNcEaRn

Check out this link.

http://www.alea.org/public/airbeat/b...ce%20Kyllo.pdf

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bloomstrike

Well guys if i being honest and i were to get caught i really would`nt mind being arrested, anything that the proper authorities could do would be a blessing.

We have all seen mafia movies and thats just the way it is here, they all want a piece of the action and the cops turn a blind eye, after all they are "only sorting out a drug dealer" and as mentioned above that still applies if you have four plants or so for personal use.

The way it always happens is, if your lucky to get arrested ! and then bail without a problem then you better get your ass out of the country, some of the informants are cops and you can believe that or not.

Security is a real big issue and this FLIR has been used here to great effect, everybody knows or belongs to "the boys" who sell any form of drug they wish as long as they don`t ruffle the cops feathers.I guess everywhere in the world there is always someone on the look out to make life hard for you, to me the worst part is that anyone i know that uses mj are very peaceful chilled out guys.

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