bobbooty

from what i have seen, all this club business is very dependent on local mj laws. one thing happening in one county, is not necessarily happening in another county. at the time of this writing, in my area, i am not aware of any local ordinances requiring clubs to give records to leo or retain legal help for growers that supply for them. i am not currently or have ever been on parole for anything, and i dont believe i have a rap sheet of any kind, except for a few speeding tickets and parking tickets maybe.

i dont believe they would "knock and talk" on most med mj growers doors, because this would be a waste of time, for them.

i think we have to wait and see how the new Redding ordinance pans out.

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Puffin Tuff

I have a card. I am less worried than before. And I am on the state list. In my state, one must obtain their card as their recommendation only serves as a temporary until the permanent card arrives.

There are definitely pro's to it. The only con is that you are on the list. To me, this is not really a big deal because I enjoy the benefits of having my card and am not worried about some future list revealing that may never occur.

Loose lips aren't the only things that sink ships. What if a crime occurs in or around your home, or there is an emergency, like a fire, or a flood, or a medical emergency or anything like that where you do not have time or are physically unable to clean your grow up. These situations often bring emergency response officers including LEO.

Yeah there's a list, but there's also the legitimacy of being a card holder that turns into medicine rather than an illegal drug.

My friend was pulled over with a half pound, with his paperwork. A half pound without reco in my state is a felony. The police officer sent him on his way. To me that is something amazing, and worth being on the list

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reach420

Well I just got it yesterday and I'm pretty glad I did it.

I asked the doctor what he thought about all this stuff . He said in this state there are like 6 people working in Narcotics Enforcement and like one inspector (he was half joking about the number for emphasis - but he said the number is very low). Thier job is to look for gangs growing acres worth and cargo-type trafficing - not to mention the meth labs.

He says my paperwork is going into the file without a second look - ever. If anything, just them having to file it is annoying to them at most. Then he adds about how dangerous and common pharma drug abuse is, etc and how I'm now legal anyway. You know - same frustrating discussion we have all been through about it so many times.

He said also that random things have happened to his patients to where the cops have ended up at the door or were called for some reason. Plumbing pipe break when not home etc. Firmen and cops allover his place. Having the card saved tham a legal hassle.

"If the cops knock cause you need to move your car or whatever - you legal."

I think I'm happy with the decision. Of course I will update with any goings ons.

Grow journal to come, lolz.

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Dr. Funkenstein

I have my recommendation, as well as my state issued card. The card was voluntary, so I assume there is partial risks in having one. You did not have to get the card to get your recommendation though. At the time, I did not know the potential problems of being on a state list.

It was advertised as an extra preventative measure, that helps LEO know who is who with a simple check. I guess there were times where some LEO would not honor the recommendation. I do know that since having my recommendation and state issued card, I have not been harrassed or pulled over.

I've had LEO do drastic lane changes on the freeway, on my trip back from the clone shop, get up behind me and pass me up within minutes. Could be that I have a good record and no real wrap sheet.

I can either chalk this up to:

1. Good Luck

2. The state issued card

3. I'm under surveilance by a larger organization, and patrol officers have been advised to stand down when pulling up my record on their "coputers".


I'm about due for a renewal soon, and am still debating on whether or not I want to get the state id card.

I guess while we are on the "legal" subject, could anyone tell me what is a "mature plant" and what is not, legally speaking.

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Puffin Tuff

I believe it refers to whether or not the plant is flowering. However, my state does not use the word mature. Specifically says amount per veg/flower.

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This is what I was thinking, but want to be sure. I am allowed 6 mature plants and/or 12 immature plants and up to a half pound in dried/cured meds.

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bertman33

In my reading, at least to California law, it's a gray area for sure. The recommendation is more or less for your defense if you get arrested and charged with possession and or cultivation. If you have to show it to LEO for whatever reason, they still get to decide if they want to arrest you or not. It is a preventative measure though. I think of it like saying:

"Yeah ok, bust me, I'll have my day in court. I can't wait to see the look on your faces when you have to give me my weed and growing equipment back and if you have destroyed it, you get to write me a check for the value."

The state issued ID card is "supposed" to be your leave me alone pass. How well it works on the spot vs. a paper recommendation I have no idea. However, if you do have the card, you have volunteered all of your information to the state. This information is not covered under the patient doctor privilage and is accessable at any time to any local, state, or federal agency.

If you wouldn't tell your friends and family about your medical situation, why on earth would you tell your ever friendly and oh so helpful federal government about it?

I have read that the DEA has raided homes with this information. All money, product, equipment was taken yet no arrests were made.

I'd rather play it on the safe side and remember rule #1 Do not initiate contact. Don't get the state I.D. card unless you have to.

As far as "knock and talk" goes. Simply refuse. "I'm sorry officer, but I don't open my door to people with guns." or maybe "I'm sorry officer, but I have been advised by my attorney not to speak with any law enforcement without his presence." Always keep your door locked.

If they have a warrant, chances are they aren't going to knock, they are going to kick your door in. That's what they like to do. What a rush!

As far as limits go. You can have the state allowed minimums and those are 12 immature or 6 mature plants and no more than 8 oz of product. If your doctor believes that your condition would require more than the state minimums then he/she will note that on your recommendation. Yet once again is up to the officers discretion if he is going to take you away. So it's probably not a good idea to have alot of packaging materials, scales, a fat wad of cash laying around. It would just look bad. And while you may not have broken any laws or not, the officer may decide to let the court decide and arrest you. If you do get arrested say nothing except I want to talk to my atourney. That's it. No light chat. No trying to persuade release. Everytime you open your mouth you are giving up your 5th amendment rights. I like my rights. I'm going to keep them.

Ok, that was much longer than I thought it would be .

bert

ShadyOak

I totally agree bert. If leo's have any legitimate reason to be in your house, they will come in at 3 in the morning and they wont ask. Any time they are knocking on your door its up to YOU if you want to answer it or not. Even if they know you are home, you have no obligation to answer the door. You could be taking a shower with the radio on for all they know.

Silentsmoke

Bert, I know in CO here LEO is only allowed to see if you are ON the list, to verify. Dunno if its that way in CA or not, but here a medi card is safe to possess.

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bertman33

Interesting to know about how different it is in other places. From what I have gleaned from the intarwebs CO seems to be the most friendly. I haven't seen much news of weed of there except for progress. I thought I saw the other day, that is now some tax on sales from the clubs. It also seems that different regions, at least in CA, have different attitudes on enforcement or lack there of. All kinds of new ordinances seem to popping up at least in the larger areas like Los Angeles. I would say "they" are turning up the heat on these clubs, and I have heard of a few in Orange County that have closed their doors in fear of investigations.

Police are using the "new caregiver" definition that means you actually would have to be living with or taking care of someone, not simply providing weed to them. This is retarded. So, if I can't grow it and I can't go out and get it, then where does that leave me? Up the creek, and a "good luck with that cancer thing" from our LEO's and DA's.

I am always amazed at the fact that people who generally have limited or no experience get to write the laws.

The good news is now that so many people no longer feel like criminals they are starting to assemble and protest these decisions in greater numbers with more publicity. Without showing my hand, with people I have talked to about the subject, they really could care less what people do in their homes. Some are upset about the amount of money that is spent to investigate, arrest, and prosecute a victimless crime that will never end.

So now the closers are not being "done" by the feds, but rather by local municipalities. This clears Obama, in a slight of hand way, yet the result is the same. Of course, the DEA is still busting people, it's what they do. So much easier to get a plant than it is a criminal. Plant's can't run, and don't have guns. Pushing up prices and at least attempting to push it all underground again.

I could go on and on..lol

bert