Security and Censorship

Skywalker · 11-08-2000, 02:05 PM

I find it interesting that while the problem is supposedly because a post was off topic but the on topic part was completely ignored. I asked about why is it most proxies no longer work when I want to post? Anonymizer doesn't work and I tried several others that didn't. This one is the only one out of the bunch that works. Why would you make it difficult to post through a proxy? I asked about this in the website discussion forum and got 0 replies. I brought it up again here and 0 replies. I think this is on topic for the security board.

I see others are complaining about the extreme slowness of the website. It was better before but now a lot of problems.

I don't see any board here where complaining about censorship would be on topic. Let me just say that this is most likely the last thread I will ever be in here. I suppose my comments will be censored or the thread locked just like before. Why are you so anxious to stop anyone from expressing themselves? What are you afraid of? Is it that there are just so many posts on these boards that there is no room? Many of the boards haven't had a post in days. The ones that do, have only a few current messages. Overgrow is absolutely thriving and they allow differing points of view and don't use the old excuse of being "off topic" to reject anyone who doesn't agree totally with moderators or management.

If you really had solid rules that everyone could understand and follow it would be different. Wolfman admits he allows off topic posts and it just depends on the "spirit" of it or some such bs. When I post on growing and he doesn't agree he doesn't say "That doesn't work for me I like..." or something like that. Instead he says something like "you are wrong and the plants will die". Differing points of view are not tolerated unless the person sucks up to the mod. There have been quite a few others complain about Wolfman and many have left. As a result you have newbies and a few growers willing to be sheep. The level of information is low.

Wolfman says I will "twist" what he says but I see my words being twisted. I did not attack Psychotic or anyone else, I replied to STM when he clearly implied it was OK to murder and said he "wouldn't convict you" He is allowed to express support for these fictional killings and I'm not allowed to express a point of view that murder, fictional or real, is not OK. I've never attacked anyone but if I have a different opinion I will express it. I questioned GW and he responded graciously and gave us more information. My respect for him went way up.

The mods and admins say it's fine with them if I leave. It's fine with me too. Is it fine with the owners when the hits are down and ad revenue is low? Like I say the site is slow, I rarely if ever learn anything and I'm not allowed to contribute unless I follow the party line. On other boards I learn something new almost every time I visit. The level of expertise is much higher. Some of them probably started here and went there. I wonder why? I will go to another site and pick a new name. I will not be back. My gain, your loss, though you don't realise it.

Feel free to censor this so noone else will see these subversive statements. Lock the thread so noone can agree with me or ask questions you are uncomfortable answering. If you think nobody else has thought this you are wrong. They just quietly go away.

Wolfman, one final thing. I respect your cultivation knowledge and the fact that you donate your time to help others. I think that's admirable. Too bad we couldn't get along.

ButterflyDreams · 11-08-2000, 03:31 PM

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Originally posted by Skywalker
I find it interesting that while the problem is supposedly because a post was off topic but the on topic part was completely ignored. I asked about why is it most proxies no longer work when I want to post? Anonymizer doesn't work and I tried several others that didn't. This one is the only one out of the bunch that works. Why would you make it difficult to post through a proxy? I asked about this in the website discussion forum and got 0 replies. I brought it up again here and 0 replies. I think this is on topic for the security board.

Ok so I'm supposed to read a Diatribe to filter out the question that had been adresses previously, with a little thought mind you? Perhaps I should sit and sift thruogh all of the political rhetoric that comes from Washington on a daily basis.

Strike one...

I see others are complaining about the extreme slowness of the website. It was better before but now a lot of problems.

Never have I seen something of this magnitude, whether it be virtual or real, WORK the way you would like as it first begins...

I don't see any board here where complaining about censorship would be on topic.

That is exactly the point. This site is run as an educational institution. Sorry we didn't pander to your illusions of grandeur. I WILL NOT apologise for any of the actions of those who work so hard to make this site run! Period. Off topic subjects that are allowed are usually something is a topic of interest.

Let me just say that this is most likely the last thread I will ever be in here. I suppose my comments will be censored or the thread locked just like before. Why are you so anxious to stop anyone from expressing themselves? What are you afraid of? Is it that there are just so many posts on these boards that there is no room? Many of the boards haven't had a post in days. The ones that do, have only a few current messages. Overgrow is absolutely thriving and they allow differing points of view and don't use the old excuse of being "off topic" to reject anyone who doesn't agree totally with moderators or management.

I will only say that this thread will never be closed simply for that remark. My whole goal is the disseminitaion of correct and useful information. If you know something, teach me. You obviously have nothing to teach me, so please sit and learn.

If you really had solid rules that everyone could understand and follow it would be different. Wolfman admits he allows off topic posts and it just depends on the "spirit" of it or some such bs. When I post on growing and he doesn't agree he doesn't say "That doesn't work for me I like..." or something like that. Instead he says something like "you are wrong and the plants will die". Differing points of view are not tolerated unless the person sucks up to the mod. There have been quite a few others complain about Wolfman and many have left. As a result you have newbies and a few growers willing to be sheep. The level of information is low.

Wolfman says I will "twist" what he says but I see my words being twisted. I did not attack Psychotic or anyone else, I replied to STM when he clearly implied it was OK to murder and said he "wouldn't convict you" He is allowed to express support for these fictional killings and I'm not allowed to express a point of view that murder, fictional or real, is not OK. I've never attacked anyone but if I have a different opinion I will express it. I questioned GW and he responded graciously and gave us more information. My respect for him went way up.

I see no need to defend Wolf or his actions. If he so chooses he can reply.

The mods and admins say it's fine with them if I leave. It's fine with me too. Is it fine with the owners when the hits are down and ad revenue is low? Like I say the site is slow, I rarely if ever learn anything and I'm not allowed to contribute unless I follow the party line. On other boards I learn something new almost every time I visit. The level of expertise is much higher. Some of them probably started here and went there. I wonder why? I will go to another site and pick a new name. I will not be back. My gain, your loss, though you don't realise it.

Perhaps rick will reply as well. I will say here that he will decide when I have gone over the line and no one else. He can take away my priveledges for this reply if he so chooses. There is no Party, except at my house fridays, If you learn elsewhere then by all means go elsewhere. If those whoa re on those boards started here and are better because of it, great. If you do not return I am saddened. Cutting yourself from those areas open to you in life is always a mistake. All we ask is common courtesy and factualy information.

Feel free to censor this so noone else will see these subversive statements. Lock the thread so noone can agree with me or ask questions you are uncomfortable answering. If you think nobody else has thought this you are wrong. They just quietly go away.

That's not the way it is and the rest of the members know it. sorry

Wolfman, one final thing. I respect your cultivation knowledge and the fact that you donate your time to help others. I think that's admirable. Too bad we couldn't get along.

I will leave this open here for now. Eventually it will be moved to HC.com Forum. I only barely recognised you from previous posts when this all began. Looking through the forums ( search by member ) You obviously have some cultivation knowledge. TOo bad it is hampered by your propensity towards the politics.

Live, Learn, Grow.
BD

Silent Sam · 11-09-2000, 08:09 PM

I, for one will miss you skywalker. i have found your input to be on the level and intellegent.

good luck

sam

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