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Old 07-29-2008, 02:32 PM   #1
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First of all hello to everyone and thanks in advance 'cuz i've already had sooo many questions answered from other threads. I used to be a member of OG years ago and grew out two pretty successful small soil grows then took a little break from growing, but now i'm trying alittle something new and stumbled into this site.

I'm going for my first dwc, purchased all that i need (for now that is, need a new light in the near future, only have a 150w hps and about another 150w in cfl's), and just started germing some durban poison seeds last night. So on to my question:

I'm germing in a glass of water for at least 24 hours, then going to move them to damp paper towels 'til i get a nice size root popping out. THen it's off to the rockwool cubes. When they're in the holes should i keep the rw wet or just wet them and let them dry out before wetting again? Also what's a good temp for them while they're getting started? I'll take any answers/suggestions and appreciate them all.
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This is just my opinion (and I'm sure there will be plenty of RW users here to disagree) but, If you use peat pellets instead of rockwool you recieve a couple of benifits that you dont get with rockwool. One, rockwool has nothing the seedling can use in the way of food, the peat pellets have a very light organic mix of some kind built in that is perfect for seedlings. I did a side by side of rockwool and peat pellets and the peat pellets grew faster stronger better by a long shot. The second advantage is, if you start in peat pellets and let the seedlings grow til the roots start to poke out all over you can lightly dip the pellet in a bowl of water until the dirt just starts to float away, continue dipping and facilitating the process and eventually you'll have nothing but the plant. you can then carefully surround it in straight hydroton and never have any weird pH fluctuations because something went wrong with the soaking of the rockwool. Just my
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thanks for the response osgs, i'm pretty much comitted on this attempt but got 20 seeds instead of my order of 12 so i plan on trying a few different things from here on out. because i lack the lights i'm going to try and run this out and see if i can get something good, if not i'll look for some peat pellets.

you did however answer another concern i had, i have a little sprout in soil in a cup and i was wondering if transplanting into a dwc would be possible? i'm not too concerned with the plant since it was only a free bag seed and i now have some good seeds. So i'm guessing i can do the same with the dirt and roots as you described for the pellets right?

Also while i'm at it, what's a good temp range (F*) i should maintain when the seed is placed in the rw/pp? is it warmer/colder than when the plant is growing?
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As long as its still basically a seedling, doesn't have too big of a root system you should be fine.

room temps should be between 70-80, 75 is optimal. Rez temps should be around 65
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thanks again. this only leaves me one more question left from my original set (i'm sure i'll come up w'more though haha). once the freshly popped seedling is placed into the rw cube, should i keep the rw sitting in a tray of water keeping the cube wet at all times or should i wet it then let it dry out before wetting again?
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hand water it until the roots have grown down into the water. You'll want the RW cube in the net cup so the roots can naturally grow through the mesh and into the water.
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once again OSGS, thanks very much. if anyone else wants to chime in with any tips/suggestions feel free, but until i hear anything else that's just what i'm going to do.

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One thing that makes jiffy's stand out against RW is the fact they're already pH balanced for Hydro.....5.3, whereas RW has to be soaked in pH adjusted water overnight to achieve the same result.
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While I soak the seeds overnight ... I soak the rockwool at the same time ... all in 6.3 ph water.

I then skip the paper towel and go straight to the RW cube In my mind, it removes the possibility of damaging a fragile tap root if you go straight to the RW cube ... or pellet for that matter

Seeds are made with enough nutrients to put out a tap root and their starter set of leaves without needing any help from us To make sure I do not burn the sensitive seedlings, I only feed ph adjusted water until they have started on their first set of true leaves. At that point, I only feed small amounts of micros (no macros at all) to promote water seeking and good root growth until I see the original (rounded) leaves start to yellow. Then, I start the veg nutrient regime

If possible, try to keep each seedling in it's own reservoir ... it helps you to dial in on a phenotypes specific needs

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awesome MJ, that is way more than i asked for and exactly what i'm looking for. i'm going to search exactly what you mean by micros and macros, but i feel like i have a pretty good idea.

i have two seeds soaking in 5.7 water as i type this, both at 26hrs. One sank at around 18hrs and the other looks like it's ready to drop and might have the first sign of a taproot. So first thing in the morning i'm going to place them in the rw and hope for the best.
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