Dankinbank

I'm germinating 30 pretty viable seeds. They look pretty viable at least.
How can I start weeding phenotypes now, so I don't have to dink around trying to plant all 30 seeds if they all germ, I want maybe 10 or 12 plants from the seeds. They're seeds from an outdoor kush hemaphrodite. It might have been a kush mother and a mango or skunk hemaphrodite. Who's had experience separating out the first and last seeds to germ and compairing the groups of phenotypes?
Do sativa or india seeds germ slower or faster? Are the genetic hermies gonna germ first last, no way to tell?
I only germed all thirty cause i have rufly ninety seeds and was kinda stoned and got the idea for this post!

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kingseven

Good luck!

nigel

I have found little round pots 2 inches high and 1 inch wide useful; 30 odd to a tray. The plants are comfortable till the third node develops, by which time they are starting to show who they are; ready to pot up.
found variation between sativa and indica, with the former generally sprouting quicker and at lower temperatures.
sprouted on two sheets of paper towel, held between two magazine pages laid in a nursery tray, inside a plastic bag.
put non germinated seeds in a tray and in under lights with potted sprouts, extra heat and time brought them up. late starters were generally indica.
moistening the top of the soil with a spray bottle when the sprouts were breaking the surface helped the less vigorous varieties. quite often these and deformed runts turn out to be the most interesting varieties.
hope something feral pops out of your seeds, best wishes nigel

Freakshow68

one question: How will you be able to tell the phenotypes if you don't grow them all the way out? Two plants can look similar, but have a different taste and high. Without flowering them out, you may just miss your Holy Grail

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nigel

these are not best pics, and both the sprouts and the seedlings are a bit sad from a trip to the sauna; courtesy of the idiot [me] who runs their place, putting a plastic cover over them on a hot day. lol
i have got three plantings of bagseed going, hunting strains.
pic 1 - genotypes - by third leaf can tell their cousins, but distant.
pic 2 - playing in a nursey tray.
pic 3 - prevoius planting of same types potted up- just washed - i call them 'miss tri'. skunkoid and pretty specials
pic 4- close up of skunkoid.
i would grow them all out lol, so i guess the answer is what appeals to the grower. i am keeping my favourite indoor, sending less favoured ones outdoors.
for 1st generation planting indoor see 'the fridge conspiracy - soil journals' and for outdoor plantings see Komet's 'southern hemisphere 2008 -9 thanks nigel

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nigel

but might have computer glitched it doing it in the wrong window; then trying to correct it; best wishes nigel

StinkFingerElmo

I hate to say this, but if those seeds were pollenated by a hermie, then I'm pretty sure your seeds will be hermie as well, (feel free to correct me anyone), you may get a few fairly solid females but that hermie trait will always be there, just waiting....
Again, please correct me if I'm wrong.

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Dankinbank

Thanks Nigel for the insighte and feedback. I was thinking about it and Think if i have to choose10 from thirty i'll take the first, strongest 5 sprouts, and the weakest 5. Like you said it would be great to see the interesting varaties produced by the genetically stranger runts. I noticed your pad of many sprouts, and though i'd throw the other 20 in a single hempy cup and see who wins the darwin race. That would be sad, but you gotta do what you gotta do.

Thanks stinkfinger. Yes, i've defenatley heard this, and believe it to be true. I'm just crossing my fingers and hoping it'll he was saying hermie to cover up the fact he didn't weed males correclty. The guys said it was the strain that tends to go hermie. I wonder though why he would have grown it.
Feminized seeds are supposed to have come from hermies, and if this is so, how would they sell them as feminized if they hermied out that bad? Does anyone think etheleneization banana religion style may help to kill the y chromosomes?

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StinkFingerElmo

Just found this, might help...

Remember,
pistillate = female
staminate = male

- However, a cross can be made which will produce nearly all pistillate or staminate individuals. If the proper pistillate hermaphrodite plant is selected as the pollen-parent and a pure pistillate plant is selected as the seed-parent it is possible to produce an F1, and subsequent generations, of nearly all pistillate offspring. The proper pistillate hermaphrodite pollen-parent is one which has grown as a pure pistillate plant and at the end of the sea son, or under artificial environmental stress, begins to develop a very few staminate flowers. If pollen from these few staminate flowers forming on a pistillate plant is applied to a pure pistillate seed parent, the resulting F1 generation should be almost all pistillate with only a few pistillate hermaphrodites. This will also be the case if the selected pistillate hermaphrodite pollen source is selfed and bears its own seeds. Remember that a selfed hermaphrodite gives rise to more hermaphrodites, but a selfed pistillate plant that has given rise to a limited number of staminate flowers in response to environmental stresses should give rise to nearly all pistillate offspring. The F1 offspring may have a slight tendency to produce a few staminate flowers under further environmental stress and these are used to produce F2 seed. A monoecious strain produces 95+% plants with many pistillate and staminate flowers, but a dioecious strain produces 95+% pure pistillate or staminate plants. A plant from a dioecious strain with a few inter sexual flowers is a pistillate or staminate hermaphrodite. Therefore, the difference between monoecism and her maphrodism is one of degree, determined by genetics and environment.

Crosses may also be performed to produce nearly all staminate offspring. This is accomplished by crossing a pure staminate plant with a staminate plant that has produced a few pistillate flowers due to environmental stress, or selfing the latter plant. It is readily apparent that in the wild this is not a likely possibility. Very few staminate plants live long enough to produce pistillate flowers, and when this does happen the number of seeds produced is limited to the few pistillate flowers that occur. In the case of a pistillate hermaphrodite, it may produce only a few staminate flowers, but each of these may produce thou sands of pollen grains, any one of which may fertilize one of the plentiful pistillate flowers, producing a seed. This is another reason that natural Cannabis populations tend toward predominantly pistillate and pistillate hermaphrodite plants. Artificial hermaphrodites can be produced by hormone sprays, mutilation, and altered light cycles. These should prove most useful for fixing traits and sexual type.

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Dankinbank

"masculinized seeds"

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