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Old 08-26-2009, 07:56 PM   #11
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I think what he's saying is that if you stress out your hermie it produces female seeds... but there's a good chance that the offspring will be a hermie and get stressed out easy.

I would like to disagree though even though they wouldn't be may be a hermie if you take good care of the plants then you can get good use out of the seeds. I had a plant that hermied without pollen sacs and just produced a few seeds and all of those are very good strong and sturdy plants... This was also from the door of my friends room behind open with a vegging room right next door. The green was still very bomb...

What I read is that ( dont hold me on this, I haven't tried it) if you cut off the branch the pollen sacs grow from you can plant it in a cup if its reaching the point of busting... and then you can collect that pollen and spread it on specific buds by putting some on the inside of a bag and then wrapping that on the bud you want to produce. Then you'll whole crop won't be filled with seeds but you can still get a significant amount of seeds to use.
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Old 08-26-2009, 11:27 PM   #12
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ive grown a beautiful plant with 1 lil immature looking seed in it AND that was from 1 of many seeds in my sack. it was from a batch of gc from up north. it was a unique batch so thats why the seeds were kept.

SO WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU?

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Viable ?? as in they would survive being planted?

hmm, I understand the stability factor in the breeding aspect but, not sure I understand the viability part.
Are you saying they wouldn't sprout or produce a good start if sprouted or would lose much of the genetics of the original plant / cross between mulitples ? ? ?
Thanks and sorry if i'm giving mis-information but, of what i've read this is one way to induce a plant to self pollinate. Since we are all just experimenting with pot and different growing methods I see no prob
On the other hand, you could go the "chemical" way with Giberallic Acid (not sure thats spelled right) and a lot of reading and research..

Have a Great day and don't forget to stop and smell a rose
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p.S. again sorry for any mis-information
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I wasn't trying to suggest that you do not know what you are doing Camper. I was merely suggesting that if you have had an otherwise female plant hermie on you and it's pollen has spread on to any number of random plants then i would not want to trust them 100%.
I had one of my clones hermie and it pollinated several of my plants so i had a large variety of seeds which at first i thought was awesome. YES I even used some of them and some of them were indeed terrific. The problem was that when i was building my grow room i was using these same mentioned seeds and i got more problems with those same seeds than was worth. The thing is I had light leaks at first that i was not aware of. Any added stress set these ones off bigtime. This probably would not have happened if I were using more stable seeds. Sure some may have done this but not as many. I should have tool pictures so i could show you want I meant. Oh goodness it was BAD!
I had NO IDEA what i was doing whereas you seem to have a plan that makes sense.
My intention wasn't to shoot your idea down but warn you about the HUGE mistake I PERSONALLY made. It was horrific..
I actually had to shut down my flowering room until i took care of this.
THIS experience was how i learned able seed stability. For THIS very reason is why i only use stable seeds.
Perhaps when i get to the point of dabbling in breeding I might consider it again.
I have absolutely no knowledge about breeding but simply wanted to warn you. YES some seeds can be awesome and in a controlled environment with KNOWING this i am sure it can be most successful.
With my experience i was using ONLY those seeds and had a great many of them growing. It became a nightmare which was why I expressed my concern for you.
If i didn't care i would have just left it and moved on

Had an awesome day yesterday and did much more than smell the flowers

P.S. Manny....has nothing to do with immature seeds that we are talking about here

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Old 08-27-2009, 04:51 AM   #14
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I agree with lacy here, you probably should use only 100% male pollen to pollenate a plant unless you want to generate feminized seeds, and by the way any plant that was pollinated by itself is making S1 (selfed) seeds.

The reason I suggest not using the seeds from hermy birth is because those hermy traits may exhibit themselves in your grow again. As a good friend of mine states once a hermy always a hermi.

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Old 08-27-2009, 09:31 AM   #15
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No sorry.
I wasn't trying to suggest that you do not know what you are doing Camper. I was merely suggesting that if you have had an otherwise female plant hermie on you and it's pollen has spread on to any number of random plants then i would not want to trust them 100%.
I had one of my clones hermie and it pollinated several of my plants so i had a large variety of seeds which at first i thought was awesome. YES I even used some of them and some of them were indeed terrific. The problem was that when i was building my grow room i was using these same mentioned seeds and i got more problems with those same seeds than was worth. The thing is I had light leaks at first that i was not aware of. Any added stress set these ones off bigtime. This probably would not have happened if I were using more stable seeds. Sure some may have done this but not as many. I should have tool pictures so i could show you want I meant. Oh goodness it was BAD!
I had NO IDEA what i was doing whereas you seem to have a plan that makes sense.
My intention wasn't to shoot your idea down but warn you about the HUGE mistake I PERSONALLY made. It was horrific..
I actually had to shut down my flowering room until i took care of this.
THIS experience was how i learned able seed stability. For THIS very reason is why i only use stable seeds.
Perhaps when i get to the point of dabbling in breeding I might consider it again.
I have absolutely no knowledge about breeding but simply wanted to warn you. YES some seeds can be awesome and in a controlled environment with KNOWING this i am sure it can be most successful.
With my experience i was using ONLY those seeds and had a great many of them growing. It became a nightmare which was why I expressed my concern for you.
If i didn't care i would have just left it and moved on

Had an awesome day yesterday and did much more than smell the flowers

P.S. Manny....has nothing to do with immature seeds that we are talking about here
Good morning again...

When I read this my first thought was "OMG here we go.." Then after reading I saw where all your mistakes were while trying to grow the seed. unaware of light leaks (like I was), a single light leak will cause any plant regardless of weather from seed or clone - your little Lady will stress and hermie or have other bad things I don't know about yet happen.
I do not believe that the stability of a seed has anything to do with the stress factor, hence WHY its referred to as stress.
Experience is another factor, I realize we all have to start somewhere not everyone (and I never suggest to anyone to invest tons of money into a grow setup "hobby" IE hardware, breeded seeds etc. etc.) just starting out has the funding to invest. I tell em grow some bag seed, if you like the hobby and are willing to put the time (and $$$) into it then go out and build upon what you have..
Your experiences with the "hermied" seeds your Ladies made was indeed a learning experience and one you have built upon very nicely I might add...
Like you Lacy, I have zero experience in breeding although someday I might like to dabble in it as well but, for now, i'll play with these seedlings as five (5) are growing very nicely as we speak in my clone growing area, yesterday being the end of week 5 and have been on an FF soil schedule of feed.
I'm pretty sure I have most of the kinks worked out of my one room grow op with no light leaks anymore since my Ladies (all clones are from the same mothers (different strains of course) that the Ladies who hermied were from) have not been having any issues.
Except them dang spider mites God I hate them!!!! and setting up the ventilation system for the diff area' - a work "still" in progress, "Evolutions of a Grow"
I leave now as its time for me to get ready to begin a week long flushing cycle of my (3) Ladies in flower now. Today is end of week 8 for "LST Project 2" is done and LSTP3's (4) clones are being added into the Cab today.. Yea another one "almost" bites the dust

Have another Wonderful day everyone
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Old 08-27-2009, 09:42 AM   #16
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I agree with lacy here, you probably should use only 100% male pollen to pollenate a plant unless you want to generate feminized seeds, and by the way any plant that was pollinated by itself is making S1 (selfed) seeds.

The reason I suggest not using the seeds from hermy birth is because those hermy traits may exhibit themselves in your grow again. As a good friend of mine states once a hermy always a hermi.

Best of luck.
Whats up with the "should use only 100% male pollen to pollinate a plant unless wanting feminized seed" ?
From everything i've been reading here on our wonderful site and on others (google is my friend) seeds produced from a hermaphorditic plant (depending on how it was hermied) will produce female only seed
If a plant was an already hermaphroditic plant the seed produced from the pollinated plant will produce only hermy seed..
When I first brought up the question many posts back in April when these clones matured with seed in question everyones answers were based on the plant being hermie from the get go which they aren't - so I never did find an answer here and researched elsewhere.

So, you're saying a male plant pollinates a female produces male/female/possible hermie seeds and female pollen will produce female seed ? did I get that right??
And I have never heard or seen the "S1" abbreviation on F1

Have a Great day
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Old 08-27-2009, 10:16 AM   #17
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Whats up with the "should use only 100% male pollen to pollinate a plant unless wanting feminized seed" ?
From everything i've been reading here on our wonderful site and on others (google is my friend) seeds produced from a hermaphorditic plant (depending on how it was hermied) will produce female only seed
If a plant was an already hermaphroditic plant the seed produced from the pollinated plant will produce only hermy seed..
When I first brought up the question many posts back in April when these clones matured with seed in question everyones answers were based on the plant being hermie from the get go which they aren't - so I never did find an answer here and researched elsewhere.

So, you're saying a male plant pollinates a female produces male/female/possible hermie seeds and female pollen will produce female seed ? did I get that right??

Have a Great day
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Yes everything you read might be true on paper.
You SHOULD get 100 % feminized seeds
The only problem is they aren't stable and will buckle easier under any additional stress.
I don't think anyone here is disageeing with the theory itself
If you grew these under favorable conditions you might do extremely well but the fact remains that they STILL are unstable seeds whether they become feminized or not. I believe it is for this very reason that professional breeders took so long to come out with feminized seeds. At first they themselves were very unstable but as time progressed their attemps got better and better. Some of them taking 7 to 10 years to come out with a feminized version of a popular strain.

I had no prior knowledge of this and went ahead and not only planted a bunch of them but gave a bunch away thinking I was such a generous person only to find that others had similar problems also.

I'm merely sharing my personal experience with doing it this very same way you are referring to. Maybe if I had this knowledge ahead of time I would only have experimented with a few, cause it seriously was a nightmare. I'm just real thankful that I didn't plant any of these outdoors . Not that this pollen would travel far , as it is weak pollen all the same.

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Old 08-27-2009, 07:05 PM   #18
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Yes everything you read might be true on paper.
You SHOULD get 100 % feminized seeds
The only problem is they aren't stable and will buckle easier under any additional stress.
I don't think anyone here is disageeing with the theory itself
If you grew these under favorable conditions you might do extremely well but the fact remains that they STILL are unstable seeds whether they become feminized or not. I believe it is for this very reason that professional breeders took so long to come out with feminized seeds. At first they themselves were very unstable but as time progressed their attemps got better and better. Some of them taking 7 to 10 years to come out with a feminized version of a popular strain.

I had no prior knowledge of this and went ahead and not only planted a bunch of them but gave a bunch away thinking I was such a generous person only to find that others had similar problems also.

I'm merely sharing my personal experience with doing it this very same way you are referring to. Maybe if I had this knowledge ahead of time I would only have experimented with a few, cause it seriously was a nightmare. I'm just real thankful that I didn't plant any of these outdoors . Not that this pollen would travel far , as it is weak pollen all the same.
Good afternoon

I'll agree with you on all except the pollen travel issue, I believe it can travel quite a ways depending on how much wind on that day i've heard a 5 to 10 mile radius from your grow but, don't qoute me and
give ya a hug and thank you for the great discussion we had today.. it was nice and might've learned a few things although the little over 5 hours to flush three plants had much of my attention today.. Sadly have to do it all again tomorrow.
And with that i'm off to South County for a BBQ at a good friends so without futher ado

Have a Great evening
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Well I found out how they Feminize seeds they dont use male pollen listen to this-

Euro bud breeders Stress out a female to the point where she turns "Hermaphrodite". They do this by using a combination of Chemicals and Harsh Conditions the most commonly used compound is Silver Nitrate (AgNO3) carefully diluted with water.
Spraying this solution onto a female plant early in the Flowering cycle forces the female to start producing small Male flowers within the Premature buds.
The male flower in turn pollinates the female buds, and the plant begins forming Seeds.
However, the seeds from forced females aren't the most ideal candidates for germination, as they have come from an "Abused" parent. (Abusive O.G.)
Rather breeders take the pollen from the male flowers on these plants and use in to pollinate other, healthy female plants than have been chosen as strong mothers and that have not come into contact with any chemical solution.
Once a room of flowering mothers is pollinated, a seed crop will begin to grow, the seeds from these plants will be 99% female when germinated. Some problems have been know to arise, though: Feminized seeds will sometimes produce "Hermaphrodite" plants or females with less vigor than usual. This is why it's usually a good idea to purchase the large packs of Feminized seed.

Anybody try this method and produces seeds?
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