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12-11-2002, 05:25 AM
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High Growers ... I have a simple question ... which would be answered in due course as time ticks by ... but I am looking for some affirmation from some fellow growers ... I germinated a bunch of seeds - from at least 4 different sources - in paper towels & planted them outside in pots. I now have 14 plants, 3 months old, all healthy, in their third week (day 18) of artificially induced 12/12 potoperiod. I have one 100% confirmed male ... flowering started on 14th day & now the flowers are well developed with pollen sacs. The remaining plants all appear NOT to be male. I can see pistils at various nodes, and the heads are not developing into male flowers, but I cannot say for sure that they are developing into female flowers either. As a first time grower, I still cannot differentiate between: 1. the fine stringy leaves that grow out of a tip shoot during the vegetative state, and which turn into normal fan leaves 2. primitive female flowers Hopefully I'll know (by practical experience) how to differentiate at the end of this growing season. So ... my question: Is 13 females out of 14 planted a realistic result considering that I should expect 7 males & 7 females based on the 50% boy/girl genetic codes ???  In other words, am I simply a lucky lucky b@$t@rd in the game of genetic chance ... or does someone want to venture some explanations or theories.
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12-11-2002, 06:18 AM
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 | i saw a similar thread about this a few months ago, apparently the percentage works out to 60/40 - Female/Male. However, the little buggers seem to know what theyre surrounded by, and choose the most appropriate sex. for example in my first grow, the plants were 2 to a pot to start with, due to cash limitations. In about 90% of the pots this produced one male and one female per container, seems too much for coincidence to me. In the case of 13 females to 1 male, i would consider this highly suspicious, and keep checking on them for further clues 
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| Thanks JimiC Quote:
 I was checking here for advance clues Will keep checking plants for actual physical clues  Speaking of which, at the moment, it's clear sunny skies, about 30 degrees Centigrade (86 Fahrenheit), end of the work day ... and I'm on my way home to my garden.
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12-11-2002, 07:37 AM
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| If you see pistils it's a female. If you see sacs it's male. The difference between the sexing pistils and the developing sun leaves is that the pistils are in a sac that is shaped like a bull horn or a teardrop. You'll know your females and your males don't worry. | ||
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12-11-2002, 07:57 AM
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| FYI What you are seeing is called "indeterminate primordia".... that just means "new growth" (primordia) of an "indeterminate" type- we don't know what it is yet. Everyone goes through their first "looking for signs" stage the same way- anxiously  Don't worry- in a couple of days it will be glaringly obvious. Just thought you'd appreciate that your not knowing was no different than a botanists not knowing and making up a name for it | ||
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What had me perplexed was that my 100% confirmed male is very advanced in development ... sacs & flower clusters everywhere ... So I was wondering how the other males, if there are any, could be a whole week behind in their development of their 1st sacs & flowers ... But I am happy to report that during my after work check-up yesterday I found pistils everywhere ...So today I can announce that I have out of 14 plants: 1 confirmed male plant 8 confirmed female plants 7 indeterminate (ahem ... to use the techo term thanx to 3h) I'll report back on the progress of identification, but I'm beginning to suspect there can't be more than 2 or 3 males ... All my positive loving energy must be interfering with the 50/50 rule at a quantum sub-atomic level.
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| Update out of 14 plants: 4 confirmed male plants 8 confirmed female plants 2 indeterminate Looks like the odds are catching up to 50/50 expectation. For the other like me who are on their first grow cycle & looking to learn how to identify male & females ... herewith my (amateur) learnings thus far ... 1. male flowers can look like females flowers early on ... -> checking for pollen sacs is the only accurate way to confirm a male 2. female flowers are very obvious when you see one for the first time ... Early on, it is quite difficult to tell whether or not you have flowers forming or if it is just the normal leaves in veg state, very young & fine fine ... Flowers however, from both sexes, start off looking like little "pom-pom" or "pin-cushion" heads ... it's a subtle difference Early males may look like this ... but it soon shows little wheat type bushel flowers and/or pollen sacs. Very obvious when you get some. Early females may also look like this ... but suddenly (overnight), it "explodes" with white hairs. It looks like a little sun, spreading itself broader & broader radially outwards. So The male flower grows tighter & taller & fuller around the stem. The female flower grows broader & broader. Disclaimer: This may or not be true, or accurate, but it's what I've seen personally on my different strains, in the past week, and it's all fresh in my memory. I do agree with the expert growers that the best technique for sexing is called the "patience technique" ... But the good news is, just when you are confused & getting tired of waiting ... BAM it is suddenly very very obvious.
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High There, Update ... Update out of 14 plants: 1 x 100% confirmed male 1 x 100% confirmed hermie 9 x 100% confirmed female plants 2 x suspected hermie 1 x indeterminate sexless So at least 1 of the early "apparent females" turned bisexual on me ... 100% female growing tip with male pollen sacs underneath. This was a transplant ... it started life in a pot with 2 other plants, and was moved to its own pot when thing got a bit crowded. Must have been shocked ! Another 2 looked like they were going the same way ... so I've culled the 3 hermie freaks. The 1 confirmed male is a 100% classic male, perfectly formed, and is being saved on the far side of the garden to become a pollen donor. So I' ve done better than the 50/50 odds - with 9 out of 14 being viable females - but have not as far as I originally anticipated ... so my original suspicions were reasonable ... 13 out of 14 was too good to be true.
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