Delta

It seems like it might not be a bad idea to talk about the practicalities first, before the theory. This way, in the future, people can read as deep as they want.

When I say beat I mean enhanced vigor, in every respect, given the same nutrient solution, lights, time, strain, etc. I do not include maintenance as a factor, although I'd like to note that it is my opinion that soil or soiless mediums are much easier to maintain at any scale and consume considerably less H2O (lower bills), and they are more economically friendly because the nutrient solution isn't discarded as frequently. JMO, I'm somewhat biased now, I grew dwc for over 4 years and I have never personally had quite the same sucesses with water as I have with other inert materials. By the techincal definition of hydroponics, I'm not exactly sure what my methods are called now ... but they beat every other method I've tried, for sure. Plus, it's all organic, again, imo. But I believe I could get USDA certified organic for some of my other fruit crops using identical methods ... I do get wacky some times, though. I aint skeered of no steekin' kemickal! I have a gas mask, plenty of cartridges, and a full body suit!!

As far as the root sheathing is concerned, I had a big problem in pure water cultures mostly, yes, the citric acid and sugar helps. But, it's a band aid, imo, and this can be removed from the equation (without affecting the comparitive vigor of dwc, nft, or pwc) simply by using a coarse medium. If the desire is pure hydroponics, use 100% perlite, lava rock, fired clay, or anything inert. Although, the properties of these inerts is the topic of the thread, as I understand it.

Fundamentally, I believe this provides a simple benefit to lst. The roots aren't moving around as they did in my dwc and nft configurations ... they have something to hold on to, so to speak. We know how fragile they are.. This is true of dirt mediums, as well, and is ultimately what leads to the improved flavour of dirt over hydro, or whatever. The sheath isn't damaged by swaying in the water and repeated washing. The ion properties of H2O are very unstable when the water is in motion. So very confusing to the roots. Cannabis and other non-pwc species CAN grow in water, but were designed for dirt my Mother Nature. Also, there is more air in air than bubbling water. I'll emphasize coarse again. These are superficial benefits and have nothing to do with paramagnetism. But, now I take a very coarse inert medium and put it under a fill/drain recirculation cycle. It's as automated as it gets.

Back to the topic. Paramagentism can enhance a coarse medium to another degree of vigor. Almost dinner time ... so, think about layers and nutrient properties in the meantime. I've dropped my medium mixes in other posts but have never really gotten into how to layer it appropriately to take advantage of the paramagnetic values of the variables involved (which are many).

And organic, it CAN be as easy as just watering with the proper preparations ...

I've been using Rare Earth/Pyrosol for years ... but not for its paramagentic values. Distilled Hummus.

I'm Spanky, not Alfalfa ...

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cigaweed4me

You Kats are F-in Crazy

It seems as though you guys are providing the theories driving this entire website! Delta if you would be so kind as to enlighten us w/ your special reciepe and the layering of it, I would be Extremely grateful. Oh just a side note, how do i use the link you provided last delta? Please keep this thread going cause you really seem to be onto something here!!!!!

Delta

lisa will be missed, for sure.

Maybe we can figure out a way to raise the dead with paramagnetic soil, too. We could dedicate it all to her.

Maybe she will visit the thread and show us the answers from the ether perspective.

Aquatic rocks ... cermamic. Neutral pH, Shultz brand.

Crushed lava rock, basalt and granite in specificallyHydroton fired clay pellets.

Calcium Sulfate..

Potassium Sulfate.

Aluminum Sulfate.

Perlite.

Vermiculite.

Ironite.

Charcoal.

Clay Hummus (Rare Earth/Pyrosol).

Paramagnetic soil meter (PCSM) measures the paramagnetic force present in soil or rock dust. Check out Phil Callahan, again.

It really comes down to the fact that all heavy metal ions are paramagnetic.

Media Layering ... create a magnetic field in the bucket. Ionic wicks pull water and nutrients up to the roots. Weak forces in the bottom, strongest forces on top. This reduces leaching and fertilizer runoff. Water sticks to the medium, it is paramagnetic, too. It is not necessarily absorbed, but there all the same.

The myco's go crazy and dance the night away...

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Xzoomd

zoo'd again..

so are you saying that schultz sells aquatic rocks?

did you actually buy a p. callahan meter?

this may sound stupid but i'll throw it out there anyway....i remember when i was young overhearing the elders talking about burying nails under tomato plants...related anyway?

zoomy

Delta

yes, no, but I want one

It's funny to see old wives' tales take on new meaning

Iron, magnet, hmm?

haha, why are submersible pumps not recommended for hydro? The magnets in the pumps attract the heavy metals in the solution ... ah, why is dwc better, again? Oh, right, no internal pumps ... what iv you put nails in the bubbler? Would they rust?

What is rust?

Ever had rust take down some of your plants? It does ... eats them alive.

Blue green algae sucks.

So, the trick to the nails is ions, again.

What forms of iron are not soluble? Ah, what if you put magnets on the surface of the medium?

I know I have a few bulk tape erasers around here somewhere ...

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OzGrowa

Working on a larger scale has enabled me to test a lot of claims over the years, some grand and wonderous, some proporting to be the missing link, the elusive factor that will bind the whole puzzle together, My 10k op runs on an organic but largely inert mixture, it feautures many submersed pumps, hydroponic nutrients and also colonies of rhyzo and mycos, a top feed of pyroclay and thats it. It is as close to ideal in every aspect as I have ever seen online so I find the weight being placed on Paramagnetic layering, soils etc to be a bit strong. They have an effect, its slight but beneficial.

Id have to say the issue of paramagnetic soil, or lets be realistic, organic salts and clays inherently contain a magnetic charge, they contain a proportion of cations and ions. As do the mediums delta has listed, I see it mentioned that Basalt has high Paramagnetic properties, Rockwool is of course made from pure spun bassalt, this would surely then raise the hydroponics Rokwool grower in to a next to unassailable position if we were to place emphasis of Paramagnetics as the elusive key to ideal as I have read here. A facillitator of increased cation exchange, sure, no wonder there its a given when you use minerals they will impart varying amounts of energy, its also known that certain minerals are more conducive to microbial growth whilst others are less. It may help the grower who has far from idea conditions by adding some of these paramagnetic soils, stimulating the plant but as to being the next leap, I discount that and suggest its the microbials that are more beneficial.

As for the hydro pumps comment Delta, The magnetic forces or the basic induction loop generated from the pumps has little effect on ionic exchange due to the chelation process, apart fom diruption of a few orbits that mayy b knocked ut their is little demonstrable or noticeabl effect, check out my plants, they are grown to what I consider perfection, on a basic Ebb and Flow replete with submersible pump,if what you were saying had any truth I would experience deficit in my feeding, clearly I dont.

I have never seen pictures of your garden, plants or setup Delta so I dont discount what you are saying entirely, I just feel that too much emphasis is being placed on the properties of mediums, information that is over 25 years old now and was well researched and dscussed at the expense of the colonies of microbials that effect the vibrant change and vigor within the plant. The elements themselves in some rock forms have higher concentrations of useable minerals and these necessarily give greater vigor as they are more inorganically available forms, paramegnetic charge notwithstanding.

Ive said my bit so Ill wait to hear your next part, I do find it interesting and very positive that this area is being reexamined with such vigor (joke) , it was explosive when the original papers and espcially Callahans work was publishd and widely discused in the industry and for a sustainable plant I agree, its an intersting approach but only one of many demonstrably beneficial.

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Xzoomd

even i know it is not a magic elixir...just another piece of the puzzle.

i also was wondering about mycos..somewhere i read that it can be detrimental to some weeds. it was said that it can actually kill russian thistle. how does it work with cannabis? it sounds like your saying it can be beneficial.

zoomy

Delta

Oz, it's really only one thread's worth of emphasis to zoomy's point: Another piece of the puzzle.

Callahan did some great research, but who's picked it up? Who applies it? What is he really saying?

Ions.

It's not hard to see, if you look, the importance of the relationship between medium and solution. Even if the solution is the medium, the plants only use inorganic ions, this is an indisputible fact.

Once you start blending your own salt recipes and experience some of the cations first hand, it's not hard to see the effects on the medium. Salt builds up, why? Why are there salt indexes?

So, I say I'm floored because of the relationships that are just as glaring as Callahans original research on paramagnetic soil. You said it, 25 years ago is more than a human generation. Everyone sure jumped on the tds meters, huh? How long ago was that? These science are new and far from understood. By anyone.

Again, I said in one of my first posts of this thread that the name 'paramagnetism' or "paramagnetic soil' is, in essence, accurate but misleading.

It's not easy, for me, to just dismiss something because it isn't the 'holy grail' ... but, I've proven (to myself) if I can gain a little here, a little there, the combination equals more. Big risk, big reward .. push it. And, I'm not content using pre-mixed ferts (even canna), specialty bulbs, and "letting Mother Nature take her course".

These are just pieces of a different puzzle of the same image. All roads lead to Rome.

Gaia.

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