Rev.DOS

Ok I was just doing some thinking and some research.

Some might ask why not just use a green house or on grid elctricity. Well growing the plants that we grow. Being illegal and all. Greenhouses are easily spotted and not very secure with the translucent structure anyone can guess what might be inside. Indoor on grid grows get busted more and more because they are created on the assumption no one will notice stolen or excessive electricity use and the obvious habits of indoor growers... So why not go completely off grid. This would be most cost effective for small cell comercial growers with ideal circumstances. Any one with enough cash for the investment could start a small cell comercial grow operation and pay it off in a short period of time. Consisting of a structure above or underground preferably underground for temperature control. Sapose the average joe with 90,000$ of solid investment money. Starts off buying a flat parcel of land for 15,000$ that happens to get a lot of sun, but still has an adequate rainy season. This average joe happens to score this good parcel of land off grid with a old house or structure large enough to house a large grow. Average joe spends remaining bulk of the investment cash on solar power for off grid power to light up the garden, run air pumps for DWC, and climate control(solar unit for large off grid home costs 25,000$ produces "14.5 usable kilowatt-hours on a sunny day in the southwest", with out battery bank which would be like an extra 10,000$ for good panel mounting, batteries, installation, and anything else needed to operate the solar unit efficently). The remaining cash goes towards grow equipment i.e. lights, nutrients Co2, controllers, testers, security etc. if they don't have them already. A rain catcher with large rezivoir and a tall cistern tank for water. Gravity for water pressure. If the rez on the rain catcher needs to be pumped to the cistern. A pump to pump water from the rain water rez through a filter to the cistern would be needed.

Anyway your probably getting the idea. If a completely off grid home solar system was attained at 14.5 usable kilowatt-hours lets say it's not sunny so less than 14.5, but with adequate battery bank with inverter you have a constant supply of energy that is replenished when it's sunnny out. If you can run a large home off of solar why not a medium to large grow. If you can install 8 1000w lights and get pound from each light which if you try you can get a lot more than single pound. If a pound sells on average lets say your lucky 2000$ for a pound of top notch dank. You'll get your investment back pluss some in 6 harvests. If each pound goes for 2500$ and you get 1.5lb per light you get the 90,000$ back in 3 harvests. If you get the 14.5 usable kilowatt-hours power 10-12 1000watt lights.

I figure using the most efficent growing methods and cost effective lighting i.e. hydro SOG method for maximum yield in shortest time, minimum wattage for veg and maximum wattage for flower. Basicly maximizing yields in the shortest period of time.

If shit hits the fan any man with a good loan could start something like this. It could be a business and it could grow like a plant. Each off grid unit would be a cell. A comcerial grower could have more than one cell. With this kind of sofistication any comercial grower could probably start something like this and as long as they keep the books right never be detected cells would have no link. As long as you can sell bulk and move product fast. You could have a grow going in the middle of no where which would be a lot of places allong the supply chain i.e. many interstate highways. Money would possibly be generated so fast depending on how many cells were set up in the intitial investment. Either way the business could compound on the astronimicaly large intrest generated by the investment. In 10 years the average joe could be making more than a $1,000,000 per harvest by re-investing the profits. Assuming they could get rid of that much product. Conections arn't that hard to find...

I still don't know much about this. So what I'm saying is hypothetical and theory.

I don't really have any plans for implimenting this, but could it be possible to run a totally off grid grow? I think so...

Helpfull links:

Solarpowerforum.net for indepth discussions on solar power.

SolarPower.org for research on solar products and accessories.

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Punani JAck

I like how your thinking big and thinking innovative. The more I read on this and other sites the more I realise that the days of Large commercial grows are coming to an end. Interesting that you call them "cells". It is this type of strategy that works for Terror groups. Its easier to have several small groups spread out then one large army congregated together.

In my opinion I dont think solar would be the best way to go in the beginning. What is going to turn most people off with that plan is the initial investment. Now using $15k to buy land is not bad because afterall you still have land to show for it. But spending $40K on solar equipment is going to be a hard sell. I propose that sta the start of the operation you could operate using generators and gas. You can find some very good generators these days. Since youre cell would be in a remote piece of land you could safely store alot of gasoline for the generator. Then maybe after just one or two harvests you could invest in a solar setup.

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DLA

Northern California 1985 large land parcel, small ranch houses, several underground or earth covered chambers (Approx. 20' X 50' ea.), individual chambered generators, But lights no sun...that was the eventual downfall...fire....spread to a National Forest too....some did serious time.

All in the past now. There have been a lot of technical changes since then but that goes for both sides of the law.

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Rev.DOS

I don't think I would ever do any of this just because it's not really necessary. I only grow for my self... It's more of a fantasy.


I just figured if there was a time when the government became even more strict and more efficient at spotting grid style grows. I think it would make a great story prooving more of the fact that no matter how strict the prohibition of cannabis. It will find a way to thrive.

I started thinking about all this because I'm trying to figure out how to get a solar powered water pump. What I ran across was Solar Slow Pumps they can pump 1200 gallons a day 450ft verticle or miles horizontally. I need get water up to my hill for some water works pluss a pond pump...



check this thing out! Could be used for a personal grow maybe? If 60amp hours lasts long enough for a 12 hour photo period durring the night and recharge durring the day could be really cool. Pluss its only 800$ If two of these could give a 1000w HPS a 12 hour photoperiod we'd be golden... could have a grow that still utillizes the sun kind of ironic.

"Powers AC products up to 1500 watts
Easy to monitor, dual-outlet, AC panel
Built-in 1500 watt inverter with protection features
60 amp-hour battery
Industrial design
Quick and easy to recharge
One year warranty"

I'm sure with the right technological implimentations and a couple million dollars you could create a grow box that is totally robotic and self/remote operable from germ to harvest to cure to package via wireless comunication. I can see it now! If they ever legalize it I swear! I'm gona try and doit if I ever make it rich! An automated grow facility capable of breeding, germination, growth, harvest, cure, packaging via remote comunications. I could sit at home or in a hammock on the beach pressing buttons to make a selected cross of genetics. Making millions maybe even billions of dollars a year as a legal international cannabis manufacturer and distributor. I'd be the bill gates of pot! MUWAHAHAHAHAA!

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DLA

You know REV it's sometimes difficult to know how far to go when posting info. But that being said I still know of individuals that have several sites that all pool their resources and split all the benefits...there are enough of them that they make for a nice production grow about every 2 months.<-----That's all a lie...

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Rev.DOS

I know huh? Next thing you know I'm gona have guys in blue suits and dark glasses creeping arround my house because of something I posted. Is there a man in the bushes? Does he have a gun? I don't know I don't know!


Hey DLA while your arround. I got a question for ya! I was curious in that recent POTW pic of all those nice lookin buckets. It looked like you had used some nice sized pvc I was wondering what that piece was called that you used to conect the pipes tot he buckets. Do you have a tutorial on that? I could really use something like that if it's relatively flush ont he inside.

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Lady Gardener

I say it's the cable guy! Our 50 don't have the budget for the blue suits and dark glasses! I wonder if they can swing the buck and a quarter a litre for the gas too!

Growers should always have a bag packed with meds, ID, few bucks, cigs and a change of drawers! Ya never know it could be the white van with men in white suits taking u to the rubber room.

PG

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Rev.DOS

So what you sayin?

Indeed! It's terror on both sides don't forget. We're just americans and we like to get things done quick so we send armies when the CIA can't haul their own weight.

I'm starting to feel a bit nutty in the conspiracy theory tree.

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n_d_shadows

IMO, if you're going to go solar power, relying on the sun 100% is your first mistake. Wind generators can be built and they even offer small water turbine units. Find a location that will allow you to use as much free energy options as possible. Water turbines (IMO) offering the most constant supply of power, provided a good running stream is near by, which would sound like a must anyway if you plan to live with Grizzly Adams.

Ideally, I'd also like to have Geothermal heating and cooling units. Take advantage of the 68-72 deg constant temp of the earth, and even the 60deg constant temp of the near by running stream. 2 acres of your land dedicated to the well field and miles of coilled tubing burried in the ground, and you're set. A couple powerful pumps and some watersource fan coil units and you'd be set with a system with very few points of failure that will keep your grows and your home well conditioned at a minimal expense to your power supply.

And while we're talking hypothetical situations, we might as well hold off on all of this until LED technology reaches a useful/cost effective level. With what will be possible with them, it seems only right to include them in such a grow. Reduce you're cooling needs and your energy draw from the lights and fans.

Rev.DOS

MMMMMmmm LED

But if you want to you can still relly on the sun...

If that small unit can hold up atleast a 400w HPS for 12 hours and then recharge itself over the next 12 hours it would be worth it. If it took 2 of them some how rigged together it would be worth it eventually...

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