hunter2021

Ah I have a theory that sensing an abundance of ethylene gas tells the plant that female, fruit-producing plants have successfully greminated, grew, and dropped fruit. Thus it would be a good idea to become female. Just a theory though. It concides with the knowledge that stressful evironments encourage males.

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mattdreads

but if there were a bunch of females in the area, wouldn't it make more sense for a plant to want a male in the area??

stressing a plant make it hermie so that plant can survive. the whole point is survival. that doesn't make logic sense to me. a plants number 1 goal is survival, and with a load of females around, I wouldn't think it'd be wanting another one.

dont' know, just working with your theory here mate.

there was someone here that domed the gasses or had a whole bunch of banana's in the room...which one I'm not sure anymore, but he ended up with nothing but males!

strange coincidence probably...but it doesn't support your idea.

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Dankinbank

I'm just saying that if there were a luscious enough area to support infinite females... the plants would have a tendency to become female... because the plant knows it's harder to produce buds and seeds than it is to produce males.... the field doesn't necessarily have a preference... each female would rather take the chance of growing buds to be pollinated nearer by, less well treated male, than to herself make pollin and impregnate the field with genetics it's already saturated with.. Only when the plant is in harsh conditions does it know 1. creating bud will be fruitless really because it's chance of surviving is low... undeveloped seeds. undeveloped buds.. end of heritage line... 2. producing pollin the best way to 'pass on' it's genes.

So with alot of females around.. the plant can't really since that as far as i know... but it can since it's soil and conditions are good- and it should and could do the deed of mothering seeds.
Hermie's also come from unstable breeds correct?
it's plays into the cycle to just further faster cross strains/genetics. a hermie breeds with itself... that hermie seed will turn out to be female (it's feminized) reguardless of it's condition... it's prime to pass it's own 'remix' of genes to itself and to seeds from polinations. at a certian point there is no genetic benefit to passing on your genes to plants around you that are all the same as you... as in a healthy plot(of many plants)... so at this point, once a strain has stablized and has taken over a lucious valley or supreme ravine... it stays un-hermie... pure female... and waits for pollin blown in from some far off forrest of stressed out strains producing hermies or males... at which point it (the field of fems) will hermie from the stress of the new genetics... polinate it self all over... and all those "unstable" crossbress seeds and hermie seeds will disperse. become male.. hermie.. and female... and adjust untill it's producing all females in an enviroment... by a)! adapting to the enviroment b) stablizing the traits of the new genetics with it's own traits.

It's really amazing the function of sexes in plants and how androgynous a plant really may be..

Yeah it all implies that area's with favorable amounts of ethelyene.. thriving areas.. will trigger the plant's natural reaction to these enviroments... i'm sure 'extra' ethelyene will cause the plant stress... it's more hormonal- not nutrient like... i'm the plant itself produces small amounts of it as it healthily develops... as it develops in less favorable conditions i'm sure it's unable to produce as much and internally knows what to do in that scenario...
i think if a weed seed were planted in a barrel of ripening apples it's only chance for 'survival' would be to polinate the air. next to one apple or some healthy flowers on the ground? it's probably OK to make seeds and pods..

YouTube - Wild growing Marijuana
and by field i mean something like this youtube vid of a wild field... I'm betting how many males are amongst the plants is related to how stable the genes of the entire sub-strain are... and a stable strain is bothgenetically uniform across both it's x and y chromoaomes and able to thrive exceptionally well in it's own native enviroment.

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hunter2021

well thats why it was a theory man... and to be honest I was completely stoned when I thought of that theory at this point I don't stand by it.

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JelliedInfant

How about vacuum sealing the banana and seeds together? Do seeds need oxygen?

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The answer it's in this thread man, read a bit.

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Dankinbank

I'd have to say genetically- No..
what would the genetic benefit be in fertilizing all the females with pollen of a similar phenotype? That plant is probably programed to avoid inbreeding as much as possible... I think the plant would much rather wait to be fertilized from pollen from farther away to help diversify the gene pool... I probably already rambled about this in my follow up thread but I just wanted to point out that though hunter2021 doesn't stand by his stoned theory, I do... and mattdreads' proposition of males near females doesen't hold to debunk it IMHO
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hunter2021

thanks man. So I got < 50/50 ratio on eight plants...five males and three females, and i used bananas so I don't know what to believe.

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Dankinbank

NP... i liked that idea.

and by "used bananas" you mean what exactly? I believe various methods of the religion have been tested with varying results; knowing your experiment would help the study of what we're discussing here, please share!
I believe the beauty of the religion is that it only goes to improve an already ideal condition... It's not an over dose... it's not an extensively intricate method... it's just a religion of faith and luck and hospitality to your ladies. Just like a human female... if you treat her right and put a banana in her bed she puts out. Another beauty is that it may be wrong, altogether.

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hunter2021

I just had about four apples and a couple bananas in the grow room from week 3-4 and I had one plant get badly damaged like broke in half, and ended up being male (makes me wondr) so it could have potentially be 50/50 ratio.

One thing I did notice is that ethylene is said to cause leaf abscission and when I introduced bananas one plant started having leaf abscission and ended up being a beautiful healthy female.

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