The Banana Religion - Page 47

vonrasta · 02-10-2009, 10:00 AM

Update:

on my first few crops. (non fem seeds)
I used bananas big time and I was getting
like a 15% edge over nature on females.

I was getting a lil better than 65%
instead of 50 % or less than 50 %. imagine rolling up
all males booooooooo.

using metal halide in veg, low stress with cool temps,
, no changes, consistant temps lights etc.

(although my soil is nuclear)

all adds to the inc in fem rates.

Growing in soil the gnats got
rolling hard to the point i had
to use a bug bomb three times
to knock them down.

a banana was in behind somthing
and got all nasty and drew in gnats.

once they infest your soil
its agravating getting rid of them.

I'm only buying feminized seeds and
building toward using only mothers and clones.
to make the whole female thing a lock.

But bannas combined with low stress and the right
lights will inc your female count, its a proven thing.

thankx cheese i learned allot trying it
it lead me to others lil things that

but gnats make me
crazy , lol.

*jamesgang* · 02-10-2009, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bluecheese

I didn't read the article JG - but I remove/replace my bananas long before they get mushy.

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Yes, I just worry about the lazy people(including me lately)

... One mistake and you could be sorry. It doesnt take long for larvae to hatch in a hot enviroment.... Banana on people just be careful...

JG

vonrasta · 02-11-2009, 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamesgang

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Yes, I just worry about the lazy people(including me lately)

... One mistake and you could be sorry. It doesnt take long for larvae to hatch in a hot enviroment.... Banana on people just be careful...

JG

lazy = bug bombs x 3

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**Lou Cypher** · 02-14-2009, 02:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamesgang

It doesnt take long for larvae to hatch in a hot enviroment....

Ethylene Generator.

nigel · 02-14-2009, 03:05 AM

If ethylene is lighter than air, the bannanas would operate best at pot level; ethylene rising thru plants?

At what point does a bannana stop producing ethylene in its ripening and subsequent putrefication?

Could stop bugs at bannanas by putting in a mesh cage? best wishes nigel

**Lou Cypher** · 02-14-2009, 12:53 PM

This report its a repeat, but since the thread its so long some don't seem to take the time to read it all, so here it is again, scientifically put.

[Ethylene gas (C2H4) is an odorless, colorless gas that exists in nature and is also created by man-made sources. Not easily detectable, it exists where produce is stored. In nature, the largest producers are plant and plant products (ie. fruits, vegetables and floral products) which produce ethylene within their tissues and release it into the surrounding atmosphere. It is also a by-product of man-made processes, such as combustion.]

[Ethylene, also known as the 'death' or 'ripening hormone' plays a regulatory role in many processes of plant growth, development and eventually death. Fruits, vegetables and flowers contain receptors which serve as bonding sites to absorb free atmospheric ethylene molecules. The common practice of placing a tomato, avocado or banana in a paper bag to hasten ripening is an example of the action of ethylene on produce. Increased levels of ethylene contained within the bag, released by the produce itself, serves as a stimulant after reabsorption to initiate the production of more ethylene. The overall effect is to hasten ripening, aging and eventually spoilage. A refrigerator acts in much the same way. Kept closed to retain the desired temperature, it also enables an increased concentration of ethylene to accumulate. Any closed environment, such as a truck trailer, shipping container or warehouse, will have a similar effect.]

Ethylene Sensitivity Chart

N=None H=High L=Low M=Medium VH=Very High VL=Very Low

Perishable Temperature Ethylene Ethylene
Commodities C / F Production Sensitivity

Fruits & Vegetables

Apple (non-chilled) 1.1 / 30 VH H
Apple (chilled) 4.4 / 40 VH H
Apricot -0.5 / 31 H H
Artichoke 0 / 32 VL L
Asian Pear 1.1 / 34 H H
Asparagus 2.2 / 36 VL M (Toughness)
Avocado (California) 3.3 / 38 H H
Avocado (Tropical) 10.0 / 50 H H
Banana 14.4 / 58 M H
Beans (Lima) 0 / 32 L M
Beans (Snap/Green) 7.2 / 45 L M
Belgian Endive 2.2 / 36 VL M
Berries (Blackberry) -0.5 / 31 L L (Mold)
Berries (Blueberry) -0.5 / 31 L L (Mold)
Berries (Cranberry) 2.2 / 36 L L (Mold)
Berries (Currants) -0.5 / 31 L L (Mold)
Berries (Dewberry) -0.5 / 31 L L (Mold)
Berries (Elderberry) -0.5 / 31 L L (Mold)
Berries (Gooseberry) -0.5 / 31 L L (Mold)
Berries (Loganberry) -0.5 / 31 L L (Mold)
Berries (Raspberry) -0.5 / 31 L L (Mold)
Berries (Strawberry) -0.5 / 31 L L (Mold)
Breadfruit 13.3 / 56 M M
Broccoli 0 / 32 VL H (Yellowing)
Brussel Sprouts 0 / 32 VL H
Cabbage 0 / 32 VL H
Cantalope 4.4 / 40 H M
Cape Gooseberry 12.2 / 54 L L
Carrots (Topped) 0 / 32 VL L (Bitterness)
Casaba Melon 10.0 / 50 L L
Cauliflower 0 / 32 VL H
Celery 0 / 32 VL M
Chard 0 / 32 VL H
Cherimoya 12.8 / 55 VH H
Cherry (Sour) -0.5 / 31 VL L (Softening)
Cherry (Sweet) -1.1 / 30 VL L (Softening)
Chicory 0 / 32 VL H
Chinese Gooseberry 0 / 32 L H
Collards 0 / 32 VL M
Crenshaw Melon 10.0 / 50 M H
Cucumbers 10.0 / 50 L H (Yellowing)
Eggplant 10.0 / 50 L L
Endive (Escarole) 0 / 32 VL M
Feijoa 5.0 / 41 M L
Figs 0 / 32 M L
Garlic 0 / 32 VL L (Odor)
Ginger 13.3 / 56 VL L
Grapefruit (AZ,CA,FL,TX) 13.3 / 56 VL M (Mold)
Grapes -1.1 / 30 VL L (Mold)
Greens (Leafy) 0 / 32 VL H (Russet Spotting)
Guava 1 0 / 50 L M
Honeydew 10 / 50 M H
Horseradish 0 / 32 VL L
Jack Fruit 13.3 / 56 M M
Kale 0 / 32 VL M
Kiwi Fruit 0 / 32 L H
Kohlrabi 0 / 32 VL L
Leeks 0 / 32 VL M
Lemons 12.2 / 54 VL M (Mold)
Lettuce (Butterhead) 0 / 32 L M (Russet Spotting)
Lettuce (Head/Iceberg) 0 / 32 VL H (Russet Spotting)
Lime 12.2 / 54 VL M (Mold Degreen)
Lychee 1.7 /35 M M
Mandarine 7.2 / 45 VL M
Mango 13.3 / 56 M H
Mangosteen 13.3 / 56 M H
Mineola 3.3 / 38 L L
Mushrooms 0 / 32 L M
Nectarine -0.5 / 31 H H
Okra 10.0 / 50 L M
Olive 7.2 / 45 L M
Onions (Dry) 0 / 32 VL L (Odor)
Onions (Green) 0 / 32 VL M
Orange (CA,AZ) 7.2 / 45 VL M
Orange (FL,TX) 2.2 / 36 VL M
Papaya 12.2 / 54 H H
Paprika 10.0 / 50 L L
Parsnip 0 / 32 VL L
Parsley 0 / 32 VL H
Passion Fruit 12.2 / 54 VH H
Peach -0.5 / 31 H H
Pear (Anjou,Bartlett/Bosc) 1.1 / 30 H H
Pear (Prickley) 5.0 / 41 N L
Peas 0 / 32 VL M
Pepper (Bell) 10.0 / 50 L L
Pepper (Chile) 10.0 / 50 L L
Persian Melon 10.0 / 50 M H
Persimmon (Fuyu) 10.0 / 50 L H
Persimmon (Hachiya) 0.5 / 41 L H
Pineapple 10.0 / 50 L L
Pineapple (Guava) 5.0 / 41 M L
Plantain 14.4 / 58 L H
Plum/Prune -0.5 / 31 M H
Pomegranate 5.0 / 41 L L
Potato (Processing) 10.0 / 50 VL M (Sprouting)
Potato (Seed) 4.4 / 40 VL M
Potato (Table) 7.2 / 45 VL M
Pumpkin 12.2 / 54 L L
Quince -0.5 / 31 L H
Radishes 0 / 32 VL L
Red Beet 2.8 / 37 VL L
Rambutan 12.2 / 54 H H
Rhubard 0 / 32 VL L
Rutabaga 0 / 32 VL L
Sapota 12.2 / 54 VH H
Spinach 0 / 32 VL H
Squash (Hard Skin) 12.2 / 54 L L
Squash (Soft Skin) 10.0 / 50 L M
Squash (Summer) 7.2 / 45 L M
Squash (Zucchini) 7.2 / 45 N N
Star Fruit 8.9 / 48 L L
Swede (Rhutabaga) 0 / 32 VL L
Sweet Corn 0 / 32 VL L
Sweet Potato 13.3 / 56 VL L
Tamarillo 0 / 32 L M
Tangerine 7.2 / 45 VL M
Taro Root 7.2 / 45 N N
Tomato (Mature/Green) 13.3 / 56 VL H
Tomato (Brkr/Lt Pink) 10.0 / 50 M H
Tree-Tomato 3.9 / 39 H M
Turnip (Roots) 0 / 32 VL L
Turnip (Greens) 0 / 32 VL H
Watercress 0 / 32 VL H
Watermelon 10,0 / 50 L H
Yam 13.3 / 56 VL L

Live Plants

Cut Flowers (Carnations) 0 / 32 VL H (Sleepiness)
Cut Flowers (Chrysanthemums) 0 / 32 VL H
Cut Flowers (Gladioli) 2.2 / 36 VL H
Cut Flowers (Roses) 0 / 32 VL H (Open Sooner)
Potted Plants -2.8-18.3 / 27-65 VL H
Nursery Stock -1.1-4.4 / 30-40 VL H (Slower Start)
Christmas Trees 0 / 32 N N
Flowers Bulbs (Bulbs/ 7.2-15 / 45-59 VL H
Corms/Rhizomes/Tubers)

Conclusion to the story is: Like Mrs, Blue mention few times already, there its no proof that bananas encourage plants to turn females, its only a Religion.
Something you have faith, like playing the Lottery, the chances of winning are astronomical but yet you play, cause it gives you something to hope for until drawing day that is.
And the cycle begins next week.

Now if you want to use ethylene as was meant to, "hasten ripening so you can get bigger flowers", then use it, but don't hope that will increase the rate of your fems, cause that only has to do with FAITH.

incognito weedo · 02-14-2009, 02:32 PM

nice info Lou but i must disagree with several points. there is much proof that ethylene encourages femaleness in many plants. just no scientific data on the plant we are interested in.

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Title - Effect of modified endogenous ethylene production on sex expression, bisexual flower development and fruit production in melon (Cucumis melo L.).

Author - Papadopoulou, E.; Little, H.A.; Hammar, S.A.; Grumet, R.

Abstract - Members of the Cucurbitaceae family display a range of sexual phenotypes including various combinations of male, female, or bisexual flowers. Ethylene appears to be a key hormone regulating the sex determination process. Application of ethylene, or inhibition of ethylene action, increases or decreases the number of pistil-bearing buds, respectively. Elevated levels of ethylene production and expression of genes for ethylene biosynthesis, have been correlated with pistillate flower production. In this study, we sought to determine the effect of modified endogenous ethylene production on sex expression by constitutively expressing ACS (1-aminocyclopropane-1-carboxylate synthase), the first committed enzyme for ethylene biosynthesis, in transgenic melons (Cucumis melo L.). Most melon genotypes are andromonoecious, where an initial phase of male flowers is followed by a mixture of bisexual and male flowers. ACS melon plants showed increased ethylene production by leaves and flower buds, and increased femaleness as measured by earlier and increased number of bisexual buds. ACS melons also had earlier and increased number of bisexual buds that matured to anthesis, suggesting that ethylene is important not only for sex determination, but also for development of the bisexual bud to maturity. Field studies showed that ACS melons had earlier mature bisexual flowers, earlier fruit set, and increased number of fruit set on closely spaced nodes on the main stem. These results provide a direct demonstration of the importance of endogenous ethylene production for female reproductive processes in melon.

Source - Sexual plant reproduction., vol. 18, no. 3, pp. 131-142, 2005

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this is just an example of the affect in melons. it may or may not have any correlation w/ cannabis.

u even stated it yourself, "Ethylene...plays a regulatory role in many processes of plant growth, development".

i like your lottery analogy. people play the lottery in hope, faith as you put it, of the chance that they will overcome the odds and win.
the small price of a dollar is worth the chance at winning millions.
so the addition of a banana to your garden is a small price if the chance is to increase your females.

i apologize if this response seems critical or crass. it was not my intent.

-iDub

**Lou Cypher** · 02-14-2009, 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by incognito weedo

i apologize if this response seems critical or crass.

weedo, no apologies needed my friend, crass all you want, thats how we learn from each other.

And by all means, don't give me credit for the article, I read all about the benefits of EG here in this site.
Ethylene Gas, and information about ethylene gas

I'm familiar with Mr. Papadopoulos research also and he is absolutely right on the "female/Bisexual" issue, and that is what cannabis growers (who inject regulated amounts of EG in their GR's) found out.

Seeds manipulated with ethylene gas when they become fems by that influence the probability its 98% the plant will hermie, otherwise become "bisexual".

Since in water melons seeds don't effect potency its all right, but in cannabis plants a hermie seeded plant is as good as a pollinated female.

nigel · 02-15-2009, 02:36 AM

Thanks for the article and figures Lou, only breadfruit seems close to bannanas in sensitivity. Interested in how the the ethylene produced stimulates increased production, hastening ripening and death.

For longer production of ethylene, a less sensitive fruit would be preferable ?. Lazy people should use apples. lol I agree with you about faith, i live on the hope of a better tomorrow.

Thanks for the info Incognito Weedo, i should put some bannanas under my pumpkins, they are being lazy. The predominance in production of flowering sites in curcubits fed ethylene, does not change the plants sex; just the ratio of male to female flowers? It is still a bisexual hermaphrodite?

The information applicable to mj, is that it stimulates increased production of female flowering sites.

Production of hermie seeds Lou; that could be a good thing in one generation under controlled conditions, re pproduction of feminized seed. Do the breeders do that? Could you hermie a plant with an overdose of ethylene? thanks nigel

HNTer · 02-15-2009, 02:56 PM

All makes sense to me, Swim's going to be doing it where their grow!

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