nigel

An excellent description of the subjective description of mj as a cure. LOL

Thanks BC Guerilla Growa, we posted at same time lol. Yes we have some convincing to do.

I am glad of your experience Justin, because the objective description of medical mj is important too.

Is not scientific jargon what the doctors, lawyers, suits and politicians speak?

Through them, we can convert our subjective experience of the health giving benefits of mj, into terms and descriptions that have credibility in academic circles; are admissable in a court of law.

I think the concern is, that the subjective description of mj as a 'miraculous cure'; undermines the objective description of its 'health giving benefits'.

in reality, judges, lawyers, doctors, experts etc, would prefer the latter?

Suggest we move further discussion of mj and mental illnes to the 'mj cured my disease' Tiki Lounge thread, as we drift off topic a bit.lol I wll pop over and put a starter now, as it is a pretty interesting subject..

Keep this thread clear for incoming reports and the excellent contacts Just Joint Girl is making. Well done JJG.best wishes nigel

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JustJointGirl

BC, Although I have not personally talked to anyone using this to cure asthma, I am talking to a guy right now that is using the oil to help cure his cystic fibrosis. His oxygen levels have increased (almost double) and the amount of time he can hold that level has almost doubled. I am trying to get him to stop by this thread and fill us in on his treatment and recovery. His story is very interesting, and he has medical documented proof of his recovery. This has left his Dr.s "blown-Away' in his own words. His breathing HAS improved dramatically. If this could do for asthma patients what it is doing for him....That Would Be Huge! So BC, Do you have Asthma? Would you like to join this experiment to see what the Hemp Oil Cure will do or NOT do for ya? We would love to have ya involved! If not, please keep watching this thread to see what happens next! I have a good feeling about all this!

JointGirl

JustinK

When I first started out with this, I only thought hemp oil could cure some cancers and some diseases. However, it is apparent now that it literally is a panacea; a cure all. If anything on this Earth was a panacea, it would be cannabis, because as I've said, it's the plant version of the human body. Our endocannabinoid systems regulate everything else in our body, and since hemp oil works directly within this superregulatory network, it can create homeostasis for any part of the body.

This information, combined with the fact that Rick has not come across a condition hemp oil couldn't cure, has led me to believe that hemp oil is a panacea. Also, all the conditions hemp oil cures, smoked cannabis has been shown to be able to help, and I find it amazing that smoking something has any noticeable medical benefits, so imagine how powerful this stuff is when the cannabinoids are raw, unburned, and concentrated!

It is kind of funny that when I was younger, I thought medical marijuana was so stupid, and I was one of those "they just want to get high" people. In my defense, that was back when I was 12 or 13, and many others have those misconceptions. Don't worry, I've atoned for my ignorance by now, ha.

nigel

The manipulation of people's opinions on cannabis to safeguard economic interests.

Seizing upon people's fears of drugs.

That public fear and economic interests are what the medical use of cannabis is up against. I think you are right about presenting it gently to 'the squares' lol, because cannabis is a threat to their moral values and their synthetic way of life.

Nobody here denies the usefulness of cannabis, but rather than selling it as a 'cure all', we should present cannabis in a more holistic fashion.

We can not only use it medically, i can build a composite house stronger than steel, i can turn the oil into fuel, i can make clothes, food art and music,

We can create industry and jobs with meaning and purpose, an alternative to the doomed synthetic lifestyle that currently grips our societies.

We can use mj to solve a lot of problems.

A 'cure all panacea' is all encompassing, but also limits mj to the lunatic fringe of the medical feild to the benefit of a few; rather than being a topic of everyday discussion in a number of feilds; to the benefit of the whole of society. best wishes nigel

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JustinK

I don't believe we should hold back the truth. Rick Simpson's results suggest that hemp oil is a panacea, as well as everybody else who tries hemp oil. Why should we hold back just because the truth is so bold? I didn't design nature, this is simply how it is, and the cannabis plant can do these things.

As for industrial use, that promotes the idea that hemp oil is a literal cure-all; that is, for all parts of life. It can be used as fuel, food, paper, building material, rope, textiles, clothing, and thousands of other products. When cannabis grows, it actually helps the soil and removes tons of carbon dioxide from the atmosphere. As you said, it is all encompassing, probably even more than we can imagine.

mattdreads

that's the whole point man, it's not a cure all.

in 2006, madrid spain 9 patients administered hemp oil to a brain tumour. CBN something or other...don't remember off the top of my head

2 of which showed somewhat of slowed cell grow in reasponse, and non of which who lived longer then the anticipated life expectancy.

there are terminal illnesses. and people are still going to die. and we're not all going to die perfectly healthy and in are sleep because we use hemp oil. you act like that's the tree of life and if we take it we'll never die. lol

I really appriciate your input, and enjoy reading your posts. I respect your enthusiasm, and think it's good to have someone who want to promote it as avidly as you do. but there's no way your sales pitch is going to work for the world man. if you truely want to get through to people, you're going to have to do it the way they're willing to listen, not just the way you read it and if they don't want to hear it the other way, well sorry, that's just the way it is.

a mind is like a tree, you can push it and pull it, but it do it too quickly and it'll break.

JustinK

I don't expect people to believe this based on what I am saying. This will come out when dispensaries or distributors give hemp oil to enough people, and it is empirically proven that hemp oil is a cure all. People have been cured of terminal cancer with hemp oil, and I talked to a survivor myself.

As for the Madrid, Spain study, the most recent one was done in April 2009 and showed that THC caused autophagy in brain cancer patients, and it was somewhat successful, but it certainly was not hemp oil. Hemp oil is concentrated, natural THC, as well as the dozens of other cannabinoids. Cannabidiol, CBD, which is the second most prominent cannabinoid, has been shown to inhibit breast cancer. The cannabinoid you referred to, which was CBN (cannabinol), I don't believe has been researched much in regards to cancer.

You mentioned the year 2006, and I think that was the year Guzman showed that THC inhibited cancer in mice, but nothing was done on humans until recently. Actually, checking up on it, the Guzman study was in 2000, and involved destroying incurable brain tumors with THC. That was in Madrid, as was the 2009 study. Here are links to both.

2000 Guzman Study
2009 Study

The second link is the actual study, while the first is just a news report.

mattdreads

bottom line, you're wrong. and I know my cannabinoils dude, I was referring to the type of tumour.

go ahead and preach you preach man. whatever you feel obligated to do.

JustinK

Oh, I didn't realize the CBN you mentioned was a type of brain tumor. I only think of cannabinol when I see those letters, my apologies for that. I would like to see that study about nine patients being treated with hemp oil, as I'm only familiar with studies that use individual cannabinoids.

nigel

I think we have established there are a number of ways to promote the same message;

but it is not for us messengers, but higher mj powers to decide what the final sermon will be.

Something that will take care of itself as we go along. You push hard Justin; we will push gently; as long as we get mj over the line of legality through our joint effort,

that's the main thing. lol nigel

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