Pesci

I am not going to play the role of a hater here. I have looked it all over. It does sound fascinating. I do believe it could play a role in making us healthy one way or another.

I am skeptical that it is a cure all for one simple reason:

If we have been using this plant for millenia now, how come no one has stumbled on this before now? How come no ancient cultures boiled their weed down like this and used simply the oil as a preventative health cure all? If they did, they would have written about it and gained legendary status as a super healthy and long lived culture thanks to cannabiss. Instead all we have are records of cultivation and a large variety of uses, none of which is the miracle drug cure all.

It would be easy enough to suppress this information in the early 20's on during prohibition but the claims here are so huge, it would be impossible to suppress this information throughout the entire history of man kind.

I am not saying I don't believe, but I am saying I find it difficult to fathom that as large a role of the search for the fountain of youth has played in the history of our species this guy is the guy to have found it. Really that is what he claims. That the thing men and women have searched their whole lives for; Have fought and lived and died for, is inside a weed that grows wild and that we all smoke?

That being said, I will keep an open mind. It would satisfy me to no end that the plant I am continually ostricized about smoking is THE PLANT for our species.
I just find it a hard pill to swallow.

There. I said it. hhaha,

Now im gonna go find some hemp oil

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JustJointGirl

OOOH PESCI,
You are right on so many levels. This too was my belief so I started researching EVERYTHING concering MJ, THC, and healing powers. What I'm discovering is too big to even explain in simple mans terms And I am a simple woMAN See think about this... About 2000 years ago, there was a man that was 'Healing' people of all sorts. Healing the sick, and rising people from their death bed. He did some of this by soaking their body in an anointing oil. The recipe for this oil is located in the BIBLE in the book of Exodus. The main ingrediant for this oil is described in the New Standard Version as 'Fragrant Cane'(Because of it's hardy stalk cannabis is considered a "cane" plant and "canna" as a term for cannabis goes back to the Indo European language.). It is named in the King James Version as Keneh Bosem,( On the basis of cognate pronunciation and Septuagint readings, some identify Keneh bosem with the English and Greek cannabis, the hemp plant.) HMMM, This man was healing the sick and Poor, using an oil with a main ingrediant that can be translated into the english version cannabis/Hemp and they KILLED him for it? Now, I'm NOT Wanting a religous debate BY ANY MEANS, and I am JUST starting to research into the 'ancient' uses of this oil so please Dont Shoot The Messanger! You can take a look at this article for yourself and see where my desire to learn the truth stems from? Jesus 'healed using cannabis' - Debate Both Sides
Some of this stuff does just sound flat out cooky, but in another way...It all makes sense? You should also look at this article from the CBS news site, Published OVER 2 YEARS AGO! Marijuana May Fight Lung Tumors - CBS News
Wheres the research? Wheres our help? What are they doing with these AMAZING discoveries? Why are the mice the only ones who get healed? ??? There are so many contraverial issues that go along with this and I do NOT want controversy to take over our main objective- To Learn The Truth For Ourself! PERIODE! Thats my mission for this thread. If we gain ANY KNOWLEDGE at all, what are we loosing?
JG

pupuguru

High,Yo, Pesci, I and many others believe that these things ARE documented very well. The Chinese, Indian and Arabic healers all used cannabis and documented the effects. The most similar to me, however, are the healing miracles of Christ. They ALL are possible to explain with high concentration of cannabinoids. Took Pasteur and Lister and others a long time to learn WHY their cures or vaccines worked. We are at the front edge of a tsunami of change. No one has experienced what we are doing.

nigel

You asked for my help, so here it is-

Any large task has to be divided into parts to make it easier to comprehend and complete. Curing the world with mj oil can be divided into three.

Number one is education, 2 - production and 3 is results, which feeds back into 1 and 2.

You therefore need this thread to get the word out.

a separate thread for ideas on extraction, production and of course distribution.

and a third thread for results.

Probably the first advantage of this is you compartmentalise possibly contentious issues within the context that they belong.

ie arguments about whether it works are confined to info thread, those about best technique to extract in production, protecting the socially sensitive thread of healing and results.

inFO THREAD/./ current style is ok, however i would look deeper into who else is into oil, doses and results they are getting.

Nothing against Rick, but when you are just promoting one way of 'a treatment of 60 g of oil'; whether it is free or not does not remove such ethical dilemnas as cronyism, monopolisation of thought and promoting a 'potentially commercial' proposition using altruistic stoners.

not saying that's so, just a variety of choices in info on treatments and techniques; avoids the negative ideas and dilemnas of associating exclusively with Rick.

Duck; portals closing

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JustJointGirl

Thank You Nigel for your help. I do want people to express their concers and such but seeing the complexity of all this, I just dont want the true purpose for this thread to be lost. We are all on the same team here, and people like Rick are on our side too. Its hard for him to not be fanatic about this...He's expierenced it first hand. I can see where the urgancy to get this news to everyone might over shadow the message itself. And I DONT want that to happen here. Your suggestion about additional threads is good one as everyone should be able to freely express theirself, and have a place to offer the info thats working best for them. I will work on sorting this out and figuring out the best place for the additional threads. Thanks Again to All,
JJG
BTW Nigel, watch using the big, fancy words with me... LOL

nigel

will not dwell on techniques, just say there are a few ways of getting the oil out.

invite people to tell them about them; let em loose.

But you also want to note what varieties produced how much oil, compare techniques side by side, storage, packaging, etc.

think wide Just Joint Girl, down the track when the govt approves a mass trial, you will save time if you know every aspect of what you are going to do, can say yes we are going to grow these strains this way and get it out like this.

Thread 3 is the money shot, that is the purpose.

got to have an easy to fill in and understood format, universally used by all participants.

This ensures that you get a minimum of information you need, makes it easier to organise, collate, analyse.

Science report 101, aim - what you hope to cure

method - how applied and administered

results - timeline, pics, observations

discussion - what happened and input on what patients thought

conclusion - was aim achieved.

is a possible format.

there are a lot of issues within this oil thing, but i will chat with you about them another time. best wishes nigel

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Freakshow68

so are you really saying that canabinoids are the one missing "nutrient" in our lives and that one thing missing causes all of our health problems? I seriously doubt that. Could it be helpful to a lot of people? Hell yes, I am sure it can, in some aspects. As Pesci stated, there is no magic fountain of youth. Buddy, I've worked in medicine for over 20 years now. I have a bit of knowledge here. I know what piss poor diet, cigarettes, alcohol, nonactivity can do. I have also seen people in tip top shape, very healthy other than the cancer growing inside, or the fact that their pacreas has stopped secreting insulin, or the high cholesterol that causes the plaque to build in their arteries because it is inherit in their family. I know what bad genes can do. You will not cure that.
I think hemp oil needs to be researched further. I do believe it shows much promise. But lets not all jump off the cliff together.

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JustinK

I'm not sure they had the technology back then to make the kind of extracts that Rick has made. He uses electrical devices and advanced solvents to make the oil, and they didn't have that back then. Of course, there could be other ways to make as potent an oil, but there's always the possibility nobody ever found that way, or they did and didn't utilize it to its full potential, or it was witheld, as in the Christ example.

In any problem in life, there are always factors one may not consider. An idea shouldn't be dismissed just because basic logic says it should, because there can always be an alternate theory that one hasn't considered.

I think the information surrounding Rick Simpson should be good enough for anybody looking in to this. It is a fact he went to court for giving away hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of hemp oil, and before even being sentenced, he was arrested again for giving out hemp oil. This could have put him in jail for 12 years. Why would he be risking his freedom, giving away medicine for free, and spending all of his time making it, if it didn't work? These are facts.

In addition, I talked to one person who is experienced in "microexpressions", which can be used to determine if someone is lying or not, and he said that nearly all of the documentary Run From the Cure is definitely true, and the other parts were ambiguous and not clearly false.

And most importantly, the endocannabinoid system regulates everything in our bodies. If you strengthen the endocannabinoid system, you strengthen EVERYTHING, and hemp oil is the most concentrated cannabis extract you can find. If anything in this world was a panacea, this would be it, and Rick's results support this.

I'm not a religious man and I don't believe in fate, but one thing is for certain; this Universe was fine tuned for our existence. If any of the physical laws had been any different, life could not have existed. Were humans really meant to live in pain and suffering until our demise, or is something out there to save us? I make this argument last because it is baseless and technically worthless, but it is interesting to think about. The more important things are Rick's results, the science of the endocannabinoid system, and the fact that many other people have repeated Rick's results.

JustJointGirl

Freak, Im glad to hear of your expierence with medicine. This could prove to be most usefull for us FINGERS CROSSED!
JJG

JustinK

I believe hemp oil very well could be a cure all, at least for the majority of human disease. Think about it, is that really that hard to believe? Do you know how utterly insane it is that you are reading this post right now? Reality is fucking crazy... we exist, we evolved, and that is amazing. You think the Universe that created life, in all its magnificence, couldn't create something that could heal all the disease of life? That's much less of a feat than creating life itself. And being that cannabis is essentially the plant version of the human body, it's no surprise that fusing nature and man through hemp oil would have amazing results. Never doubt the power of nature... man will never, ever be able to go beyond it, especially when we barely understand ourselves.