BCGuerillaGrowa

I'm a chronic asthmatic from birth. I've smoked Cannabis daily for 10 years. I haven't purchased any synthetic asthma drugs in the past 3 years. I'm living medical proof smoking marijuana can be beneficial. I'm not saying it doesn't have side effects but I wouldn't be able to smoke it everyday if it wasn't combating my pre-existing lung condition.

Others Ive known who had cancer at 21 and never smoked or drank tried Cannabis. Went form near death no body fat to one pill a day and healthy.Her life has definitely been prolonged by smoking cannabis if not saved.

maybe smoking has some counter productive effects but the active ingredients have beneficial effects even when smoked.

Personally I've had daily access to volcano. I find they constrict my airways more than directly inhaling the smoke from a joint or bong. Not sure why but it's true.

I believe Cannabis smoke even if somewhat harmful is far less harmful than Tabacco smoke
and that its active ingredients literally have the opposite effect.

Bronchial constriction of Nicotine vs. Bronchial Dilation of Cannabinoids.

Smoking is the fastest way to get the substance into your bloodstream
other than directly injecting it. From my personal experience even for asthmatics
nothing works as well as smoking it.

I live an active health daily life and Cannabis is a regular part of it.

Gr0wer

Cigarettes are def a lot more harmful, if we leave all the nasties as tar, nicotine.... behind there is still that thick paper in which they are rolled that keeps cigs burning continuously. We have to fire up the spliff again and again since we don't roll them in that thick paper...


- Gr0

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Lusitano

RufS Would mind sharing soe of those cures you've tried that failed?? It would help me eliminate some that are not wort the bother (or cost)
You're a lucky fellow ti still be with us! So much for this studid diet of "only alkaline" fruits and veggies mt dad is beong forced ot eat... along woth pancreatic enzymes and now hemp oil.

Stony kitty (ever vaped catmint for the kitties?) Your article is veru good and long reading. I am distressed about lack of info good or bad about kidney cancer that's everywhere. I bought mt dad that hemp oil and ssid it looked liek a good thing to help him. I sure hope I don't do more harm!!

Wow this is just depressing about MJ and cancer. I just have to hope it works, though not as a preventative. TY for sharing asll of this info! Next I'll wonder why there is no cancer vaccine. :-))

sorry about typos Spell check doesn't work in this quote window, or in most my lousy new computer. hmph!

Futuregrower

Stoney, TY for the article. All too often, people seem to make up their mind thusly:
1. I smoke MJ
2. I don't have cancer and none of my smoker friends have cancer. If someone ever gets cancer I blame it on anything but MJ.
3. MJ is a plant. Plants are always good. Therefore MJ = always good.
4. If I think MJ is always good, it allows me to smoke/eat/ingest as much as I want, no guilt.
5. Therefore, MJ is the worlds best plant. It cures cancer.


Fact is, just cause something can shrink or keep cancer cells from metastasizing in a petri dish doesn't mean it will do the same for your body. Maybe it will help; maybe it will hurt. Pesci had it right, I think- Genetics + Environment = cancer/no cancer. Certain types of cancer - Mesothelioma comes to mind - are caused almost 100% by environment. (Meso = asbestos exposure) Others are either/or - Leukemia, depending on the exact type, can be genetic or caused by radiation exposure. Others are 100% genetic- Cervical cancer, some types anyway, has been shown to be almost 100% genetic. Also, if you are "at-risk" for cancer XYZ, and you also have environmental factors around you known to help start cancer XYZ, you are now more than double the risk.

I just really dislike it when people say MJ is the best plant ever, not because of UN-biased, scientific research, but because they enjoy it. Lots of "it's just a plant" arguments + little (or bad) research = opinion, not fact.

As I've mentioned before, Belladonna , nightshade, opium poppies, certain Mushrooms, all are plants (or close enough, in Fungi's case) ........... and they can all be very damaging to deadly.

And lusitano, I don't believe eating "only alkaline" or "only anything" is the way to go- unless that alkalinity helps his pancreas- I would say eat healthy, sure, but know that food may not turn tide by itself, if at all. Just get a balanced diet into him, and try for as healthy as possible. As always, if a Doctor told you it will help the pancreas, follow the Doctors advice not mine.

Also, a lot of "miracle cures" be they MJ, sugar pill, or Dr.-prescribed medicine, hinge on the placebo effect- if you believe it, sometimes its true. Even if someone truly disbelieves, the placebo effect might work- the mind is a strange place. That's why in most good hospitals they work on getting patients happy and believing they can fight it.
Not always 100% effective, and the mind can't placebo effect itself outta a heart attack, but it does help, often more than a lot of people think.


And, yeah I know this thread is a few days old, but what the hell I couldn't resist.

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The futures here, we are it, we are on our own....Singing Ashes, ashes all fall down......

"I inhaled, frequently," Senator Obama said before being elected President "That was the point."

First Grow! Twofer, Mandalas "Satori" and KC Brain's "Northern Lights Special"
http://www.gardenscure.com/420/hydro...kc-brains.html

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LINK to a great way to search, written by Burndt

Sso

Also, a lot of "miracle cures" be they MJ, sugar pill, or Dr.-prescribed medicine, hinge on the placebo effect- if you believe it, sometimes its true. Even if someone truly disbelieves, the placebo effect might work- the mind is a strange place.

how is that old line...

if you have a mustardseedsize faith, you can move mountains.

its interesting, considering, the many stories ive heard of similar.

1 man.

cancer, bad, skintumor everywhere.

goes to doctor.

doctor lies (he knows its just hype)and says new miracledrug, here.

man completely loses cancer.

reads newspaper, sees drug is junk,

gets cancer again, overnight.

sees doctor again, doctor lies again, says ok, yes but this here is a new improved version of the drug.

man goes home, cured overnight.

find out the doctor lied and now dies from cancer.

true story.

heh..

Futuregrower

Yup, I know Nurses who work in hospitals / Emergency Rooms, they call it the 'white coat effect' ........ Nurse can tell you all is ok, it's just a pimple not a tumor, people will get sick with worry over when the lesion will kill them. Doctor ( or anyone w/ an authoritative air) in a white coat says the same thing, people complain that the ER visit cost them $ 500.00 for a PIMPLE!!

Placebos have weird effects- double-blind studies show people sometimes get better on sugar pills.

So maybe in some cases, MJ is a mind-calmer, plus the placebo-effect, and sometimes it is harmful.

Oh and luistano, hope everything turns out ok.

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~~ The Once And FutureGrower
The futures here, we are it, we are on our own....Singing Ashes, ashes all fall down......

"I inhaled, frequently," Senator Obama said before being elected President "That was the point."

First Grow! Twofer, Mandalas "Satori" and KC Brain's "Northern Lights Special"
http://www.gardenscure.com/420/hydro...kc-brains.html

Caution! (Do not stop on tracks). Grow 2

LINK to a great way to search, written by Burndt

delta9nxs

Hello, people!

I'm a 58 yr old who's been smoking cannabis off and on since 1965. a lot early in life, then occasionally up to the point of diagnosis. In 2001 I was diagnosed with hep c. looking back at my history i've probably had it since 1975 when I was in a bad accident and had 23 units of untested blood during emergency surgery.

At the time of diagnosis I weighed 212, was physically fit and strong. Within a year I weighed 138 and was getting worse fast. Extreme nausea, lack of appetite, muscle spasms and cramps, severe joint pain, and other symptoms. For those familiar with the disease I also had encephalopathy and ascites requiring paracentesis. My liver was failing fast.

I began smoking cannabis regularly at that time and found it difficult to get quality on a consistent basis so I began growing my own. I began consuming 4-8 1/2” diameter bowls a day. Sweet tooth #4, smooth, aromatic, tasteful, and potent.

Almost all of my symptoms abated. They were still there but did not affect me as severely. My appetite went up radically and I gained weight back to around 190. I felt better, both physically and psychologically, but still had a progressive disease that cannot be cured by cannabis.

Things went on like this until last year, when a routine mri found a 2 cm hepato cellular carcinoma in the upper lobe of my liver. This particular cancer is considered to be one of the top 5 most aggressive and deadly cancers known. Untreated, it is usually fatal within 3 to 6 mos of diagnosis.

So, Lusitano, the answer to your question is yes, someone who was already using cannabis heavily for 5 yrs got cancer. However, I can strongly state that it was of immeasurable efficacy for symptom relief and weight gain.

I was already a transplant candidate at the time the cancer was found and it's discovery moved my score way up. Sometime in the last 3 to 6 mos I received a liver transplant. My liver came from someone under the age of 30 who died in a car wreck. I was out of the hospital in 7 days and now feel healthy for the first time in 8 yrs. No signs of rejection thus far. Still smokin'. I only quit for the seven days in the hospital. With cannabis, I was able to quit all prescription pain medicines on day 12 following surgery. Most folks go over 45 days with some form of pain killer.

So, I no longer have a liver destroyed by hepatitis and cancer, but I still have hep. My new liver enzyme readings are already showing an effect, however slight.

Cannabis helps relieve physical symptoms and stress, but only a lot of science, medical expertise, and money could save me for a while.

Analog, about colonoscopy, I have been “hubbled” a few times and it does not go on my list of “things I want to do today”.

On the “smoking causes cancer” argument I can only offer a personal experience. In addition to the aforementioned “hubbling”, I have also had numerous endoscopies. After the last one, about 8 months ago, the doc looked at my daughter and said,”he doesn't smoke, does he?” I have never smoked tobacco, but I had been smoking weed like a demented fiend around the clock for 5 yrs prior to the endoscopy. Apparently the doctor saw no evidence of smoke damage.

GrOwer, I don't have brain cancer either so I guess pot kept me from getting it, too!

Ruffsoft, I smoke cool too. A Savinelli “Rhodesian” briar pipe with an insert sized for weed. No heat. In fact, it's in operational mode as I write this.

St_n_y cat, I just read the document you linked, thank you, it is excellent and goes in the archives.

Well, this has been an interesting way to consume a couple of bowls of really good shit, Sunday afternoon with the ball game on and all, but I gotta go mix nutrients, check temp and humidity, ph, and tds.

Until later, delta9nxs

Lusitano

Delta, that's one heck of a story.... I'm glad you had a donor before it was too late!! I can't imagine what it must have been like waiting for a new liver or death... you're fate no longer in your own hands at all! TY for sharing.

Have you ever tried the hemp oil? What do you think of the idea? can you or anyone compare it to regular MJ use?

You all have really answered my questions on MJ for cancer prevention... and quite a few more. I certainly hope the recent discovery that the US gov't patented MJ, in 2003 for medicinal qualities, will make MJ federally accepted or at least ease the laws in the US. Look at all of you and other it has helped!!!!

OK sure, use of it will be way out of control until the novelty wears off... but worth it in the end. my greatest fear of legal MJ is people driving after smoking. (another topic!!) I can;t even walk!!! :-)

As for my dad and the oil.... I am not stoned, just writing away a strange story I feel oddly compelled to share. I just read what I mindlessly wrote and have not a clue why in the heck I wrote this to strangers... but i did so it remains. Perhaps the story is meanst for someone reading this, as often the case.

My dad is on the hemp oil and feeling better and better, but he has no money for a recent scan for cancer. Curse medicare!! He' completely on the alkaline diet with no meat, no glucose, carbs, not even frui. I don't agree with this all veggie diet in a juicer. He'll starve to death with just nasty protein drinks and veges. It's such BS to me!

My part in his care is still the enzymes and the oil. It's all or none here.... kill the cancer before it kills him. No treatments of any sort will work... well there's some good one's in Germany, but the base cost for this place, to walk in the door, is $35,000!!!!! Even if all the family pooled their entire savings, we wouldn't have this much and it still has a tiny chance at curing.... but does make a longer better life.

All I can say is dad feels better first from the enzymes, then gets better yet after the diet and hemp started the same tie. I surely won't say it's the diet since he's always ate an ideal textbook perfect diet of whole and bio foods. So, it's the oil!!

This was after 4 days of oil though. Will call him another time. :-) He said his pain was unchanged so far, but he didn't care about the pain.

Dad has smoked tobacco his entire life and just quit about 5 years before the cancer. Logic would say 50 years of ciggy smoke would give about anyone lung cancer... but that is not the case.

I was an odd kid in Jr. high- high. I had dreams of when people would die usually with no warning or at the moment the person died. 3 people in a few years time. I sometimes had dreams of the future and dreamed my father's death when I was 17. By that time they knew I was having unwanted success and they listened, for a while. I told him he would die of cancer before mom and would not be very old. I dreamed the details, like snapshots.... it was horrid to see the casket and more.

I wanted to say it was lung cancer since he and mom were chain smokers, but I felt strongly it wasn't. I let them read into it and they immediately tried to quit and spent the next 15 years working on it. At least the ugly habit was confined to th garage and never near me...

So, I 'know' the cancer will win in the end, but that could be ten years from now if it comes back. I also know that i will be there for the funeral, which will need to be at least 8 months from now before I'm there.

I'd completely blow off this old dream of mine as insane and crazy, except the dreams have happened (awake dreams) in my adult life and I remain freaked out at it. I don't believe in ANY of this stuff or religions... way out of my league. Never mind what I've seen and felt says it's not wacky... but truth in it.

So... i am here on here on this website and have been looking into Mj for some reason. It's either what will keep dad around or it's to help me with my pain.

Also, I in no way believe MJ causes cancer... I actually have a hard time believing anything at all causes it.

Sorry about the weird story.... I don;t know why I told it since I've told no one but my parents. I've never smoked anything in my life (allergic) and only started vaporizing the last two months, looking for pain relief and then seeing the RS story and just hoping that the MJ will help dad too.

Logically, it seemed that if the oil really helped cancer, prevention by smoking for a lifetime wold certainly prevent it! Based on all these stories here of long time users, I'd have to say logic would prevail and say MJ won't cure cancer.

Myself and a few others on this site are giving it a try anyway for our family members.

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I do have to agree from my documented study if 17 MJ strains that I've vaped... Diff strains of MJ DO help. chronic pain, nerve pain, muscle pain, (joint/ bone...not so much help), sleep, depression, anxiety, well being, fatigue.

If anyone wants to see the spreadsheet for this, I can post it somewhere. Way off my starting topic now, but you all have definitely answered my questions!!!! TY!!

Lusitano

BCGG:

I noticed you have the Volcano and it irritates your lungs. I've tried one of these once and it was better for me than the smoke...but set me coughingand unable to hold the vape on my lungs. The coughs stayed with me a while for soem odd reason.

Now that I have an Iolite and a Launch box vaporisers to comapre to, I can definetely say a different type of vaporizer might ake the difference for you! The Iolite bar far is the easiest on my lungs.

If you ever give vaporising a try again, I'd try the Iolite! If you want a vapors clowser to smoke, the Vapor Genie looks to fill both ends,as does the Launch Box or any device needing air flow to regulate the heat and density. There are other cheaper options for you to try. :-)

I find cooler thinner vapes give me no beathing issues. I can only think the volcano bothered me because of the thick dense vapor cloud was too irritating for my lungs.

For medicinal users who want to control their MJ intake, like a pill... the Launch box is the ticket! I woke with pain twice last night. I only had to pick the box up, push the battery in, and inhale a few times while shaking the dish up. Then pull battery out and go back to sleep. No lights needed, took as much time as drinking some water with a pain pill. ;-)

thewayisunknown

Lusitano, please, share it all. Smoking tobacco is of course a HUGE problem! The sheer amount of chemicals and nutrition sapping evil within them is criminal! The diet will help, I am positive that it will and I am sure that even diet alone, considering there is a good balance of omega-3 to omega-6 fatty acids... But before you vest all of your energy on a cure, you must first realize that your dad will be fine. You must believe it with all of your heart and vest all of your positive energy into it. Premonitions and future sight are things that I really believe in, but I also believe they can be altered. Fate, in essence, in my heart, is a debilitating idea that insures within minds that death is assured. The hemp oil will work, use more! Keep us updated! My mom is a chronic smoker and my step father has a brain tumor... these things can be healed! Their severity is a lie! Mindset is paramount and then comes diet!