ButterflyDreams

I've got this weird little theory about how to grow the biggest cola ever. I
know it probably wouldn't work but I'll tell you about it anyway and see
what you think.

1. I grow out a bunch of clones of a good vegitative plant (maybe hemp) and
a good clone of big bud under some low watt flos to promote tight nodes and
deveoped roots.

2. I arrange the good veg plants into a square with 8 plants, put the big
bud in the center and lessen the light and ferts and things to the point
that the plants almost don't move at all.

3. I train the top of the big bud and nick the tips of the lower branches so
that it will grow 2 shoots from each branch.

4. I graft all the veg plants onto the big buds new branches.

5. I train the tips of the branches on these plants to exert growth towards
the branches connected to the big bud.

6. I put the big bud under a good HPS light along with accenting flos and
put the veg clones under a good MH light.

7. I put a covering over the big bud to let no light in and put it on 12/12
while the veg clones are still in veg.
I know that the buds are mainly made from the light that hits them and not
the lights that hit the rest of the plant, but I can still dream...

A link to a pic of this bud on overgrow, cannabisworld, and ADPC would
definatly help us get a few people at HC.com. I can see a 1 1/2 pounder on
front page as I write this...Yeah...I can dream.


THis came in the mail.
BD

ButterflyDreams

This sounds like a hell of a grow.

I think it would take a long time to learn the grafting that would work, but that it will work. Learning how different strains grow and using that as the basis for different experiments always gets me excited.

I always say you are only limited by your imagination.

Live, Learn, Grow.
BD

GntlmnLsr

How about cutting all the budding sites except one, two to four weeks into flowering so the plant has to put all of it's energy into one site. Not that your plan doesn't have merit but seems more complex then I'll ever try.

[This message has been edited by GntlmnLsr (edited October 20, 2000).]

Scott Free

Sounds like a pretty wacked idea...Too bad it came from me.


This sounds like a hell of a grow.

I think it would take a long time to learn the grafting that would work, but that it will work. Learning how different strains grow and using that as the basis for different experiments always gets me excited.

I always say you are only limited by your imagination.

I've heard that grafting cannabis isn't really too hard to do. I've tried a few different plants before that failed miserably, but I did end up grafting a mutant hops clone to one of my plants. As you know what they say about being limited only by imagination...

How about cutting all the budding sites except one, two to four weeks into flowering so the plant has to put all of it's energy into one site. Not that your plan doesn't have merit but seems more complex then I'll ever try.

Hi GntlmnLsr, sounds like plan! I'll play devil's advocate for a sec and give an article written by Ed Rosenthal:

- TRAINING

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, helvetica, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Plants grow from the tips of their stems and branches. The growing tip (apical meristem) of the plant contains a hormone that acts as a growth inhibitor. This prevents the branches (lateral buds) from growing. The further a branch is from the growing tip, the less the effect of the inhibitor. This is why some species of plants form a Christmas-tree shape with the largest branches toward the bottom of the stem. This is also why the branches grow from the top of the plant when the tip is removed. Once the growing tip is removed, the next highest growing shoot(s) becomes the source of the inhibitor. Under artificial light, the bottom branches may not recieve enough light to grow even though they are far away from the inhibitor. Usually the longest branches are toward the middle of the plant.

Some growers hate to cut the growing shoot on the main stem, since it forms the largest and most potent budsby harvest. But you can neutralize the effects of the inhibitor, without cutting the growing shoot, by bending the tip. This allows you to control the height of the plants and forces them to branch.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There was more to the article but it had more to do with the methods of training...and my fingers and eyes are kinda tired.

I'll post that last sentence again: "This allows you to control the height of the plants and forces them to branch". That sentence really got my mind working. I'm thinking that if you can just train a plant into making sure that growth is not exerted on a certain branch then it would seem logical that you could train (bend the tip) every branch on the plant except for the branch the was grafted to the plant. After all, you really couldn't train the grafted branch without cutting the graft.

I would expect the plants to try to grow out of the shackles of the training, but it only seems logical that they would exert growth energy into the other plant.

Now that the training thing out of the way I'll start with the grafting. Here is how I grafted the hops plant to he cannabis plant:

1. Find two healthy and lush looking branches of nearly the same size.

2. Swab each branch with some alcohol on and near the places where you plan to make the incision and immediatly wipe the alcohol away (I'm not sure of the effects of alcohol on plants, I didn't want to take a risk of contaminating the experiment by letting it air dry).

3. Make a diagonal incision on the stems of both plants so that they can fit into each other with maximum clean contact between the branches.

4. Swab the wounds with your pre-mixed wound solution (you have a pre-mixed wound solution, right?) and fit them together with as little overlapping as possible.

5. Tape the wounds together with a tape of your choice. I liked medical tape because it was clean, stuck well in weird environments, and came off without much trouble.

My premixed wound solution wasn't really much to speak of. It was premixed from some place in England and was supposed to seal and heal plant wounds. I usually used it when I topped my plants, but I don't top them anymore (I train them ). I'll get the address of that place sometime soon.


Its always good to be the devil's advocate, especially on your own work. I can't think of any deep rooted logic that can tell me why this wouldn't work, but I still have this weird feeling that things like this just weren't meant to be. I don't even have close to enough resources to test it out right now anyway.

Even if it would work, the only plus side to it would be the pics of the monster cola. 'Course, you could breed a strain out just for this purpose. It would probably be low yielding and extremely potent.

Good Growing,
- Scott

GntlmnLsr

Well of course I mean to leave the top cola as the one to grow and cutting all the branches off. course part of this discusion depends on what one considers a cola. If it's one cola as long as the buds cover the stem then I'd go with breeding that characteristic into a variety. If it's only one branch of a plant then I'd start with my last theory. Know what I just reread that first post and I think maybe I missed the whole point but now that I think I have it I am going back to shore I'm in to deep.