james_uk

hey everyone,
i was thinking about how MJ would live in the wild, and the thought of taking a plant from a metal halide lit grow room straight to a sodium lit grow room wouldent simulate the same way a plant in the wild would be using light. my thought is that you could introduce a stage in the middle, where you would have both metal halide and sodum lights, as this would simulate the sun being half way between its highest in the summer and its lowest in autum(sp). i know this would cost more to both setup and run, but would it help the plant with the budding?
james

organic

interesting thought James. I think I see what you're getting at, i.e. trying to simulate the outdoor growing experience as much as possible indoors. It might be something to be tried in conjunction with a fullscale organic approach, where you try to simulate the outdoor soil ecology and other environmental factors as well. that sort of deal would require an extensive grow room and a LOT of dedication.

offhand, I would doubt it would make enough of a difference in the buds to warrant the extra expense and trouble, unless absolute quality is your ultimate goal. but hey, somebody's gotta do it

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InsaneK9

Instead of trying to "simulate" the environment, light, weather, etc. Why not try growing OUTSIDE?!!!?! I don't understand the point in trying to simulate the sun in its different stages... consider that the sun does not "switch" from season to season... everything is gradual over the period of all seasons. Plus, if you are going to simulate real-world environment INSIDE.. then you'll also want to simulate natural disasters, try flooding your plants out with a fire hose, try smashing them with your foot (to simulate people/animals carlessly walking through your garden), try lowering the tempertures to freezing in your house to simulate an early frost...

Sorry about the rant...

K9

organic

<ducks> is it safe to come out?

no doubt the idea behind trying to simulate the outdoors indoors is to simulate the beneficial parts while being able to control the undesirable ones. and some of us don't live in a place where outdoor growing is as feasible.

try counting to 10 or something next time

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Sorry.... didn't mean to go postal....

I was p/o'd about something unrealated and...

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james_uk

hey k9,
in reply to your first message which you were in your 'crazy' stage, some people are not able to grow outdoors, due to the wrong climate. yeah, it would cost alot more than normal, but it was just a thought, the same as having lights on 24/0 wont make much more different to the plants than haveing 18/6, well thats what i read on a hydroponics website.
james

robyoung

Maybe I misuderstand the question , but isnt that the idea of son t agro?
Trying to incorporate as much of the sun's light changes in one bulb?
Well, not the sun's changes, but the changes the earth percieves as the season changes, going from one spectrum to another.
that;s why Phillips invented the son t agro, it captures both spectrums.

When i fisrt started to grow indoors, i tried to do everything as close to natural as possible, even turning the lights back to flowering, I did it so gradual, so I didnt upset the plants.

Now I got two light settings.......24/7 and 12/12 no graduals, just wam bam thank u mam.

I havent ever noticed any catastrophes

rob

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bgetting

It is a good idea, but just use both lights during the whole life cycle. The best way to mimick nature is to have the richest brightest spectrum that you can have. The HPS are good for flowering as opposed to an MH, but together they are better for all stages than just on or the other. The richer the spectrum, the happier the plants. This is the idea behind the Son Agro's, where they try to boost the blue under an HPS ballast system. Both lights together would be even better though.

robyoung

Do u reckon there would be any percievable difference?

I have mostly grown under son t agros.

The first light i used years ago was a mercury vapour....wowo! what a blunder.

I had buds eight inches long, only thing is, they where 1/16 of an inch thick LOL
Anyway, u gotta learn.
I went staright from there to son t, because I raise all my cuttings under 160 watts of flourocsent lights.

I can't remember what cuttings where like under other lights, it's been so long since I tried, but I know under the fluros, u get great bushy lttle plants with that many bud sites it's insane.

So they go from 24/0 160 watt fluros for about the first month of life, then straight into a grow room 400 watt son t agro @ 12/12, for the duration of their flowering life.

I can't imagine my system would benifit from adding the MH during the floweering, infact, I probably only need a standard HPS without the extra spectrum, the way I do things.

BUT!
say for example I was to raise the plants under HID lighting from babbies onward, do u think there would be any appreciable difference in using a son t agro, AND a MH?

Like it would cost double, so I guess you'd want double to justify it, or at least i would.

What do u reckon? dya think if a person had a son t, that they would really benifit with a MH aswell?

I'm kinda interested as I am moving to an area that may approve me for medicinal growing, so I was going to start another grow cupboard, and this very nature of thought was already on my mind.

I have never used a MH so if u have, I'd appreciate your veiw.
By the way, would u need to move the lightts around, like on a track, or helicioter to get any bennifit?

rob

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